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  2. Desi Jr.: Adult survivor of abuse?

    The hitting Desi with a fry pan story comes from Lucy’s book, so she admits to it, but the story seems so far fetched I bet this is exaggerating what really happened. Another story of her being violent is when they had a fight early in the marriage and she smashed all the windows out of his car. You make a good point about physical abuse and that it would have showed. There is that one weird hitting incident during a dinner at home in the late 50s but Herb K. tells that one and I don’t believe half the crap that he says. The Paula incident in the car I look at differently. Alcohol obviously plays a role in these things. But I feel at that time, physical abuse was looked at more seriously then kissing and groping a woman. The car incident really bothered me when I read it and it still does but I still can’t connect his behavior then to also being able to hit a woman. Again I turn to back to what he wrote in his book that he did confront a man about physical abuse of a woman. I don’t think he was going to rape her, but how he was on her was scary and how hard Paula had to fight him off. And that Lucy took one look at Paula after and knew. So obviously this was not something new. Lucy knew what Desi was capable of when drunk with another woman. He was sloppy drunk then, not in a rage. Lucie has said that she was going to write her book but I haven’t heard more about it after her PS move.
  3. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    Yes, it’s from The Million Dollar Idea.
  4. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    Apparently there is a caption over an ILL episode saying it's The Lucy Show. Guess there has to be one thing wrong in their articles.
  5. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    A photo caption mentions the DVD release. It is a good article. Donovan Scott is also interviewed.
  6. Gag Headlines

    OMG, this could've been one of Lucy's specials where she played herself, detailing the Mame feud.
  7. Gag Headlines

    "Mames Maimed!" where it is revealed that the skier who broadsided Lucy up at Snow Mass was Angela Lansbury, who later claimed she only intended to wish Lucy good luck in the show business "break a leg" tradition.
  8. Desi Jr.: Adult survivor of abuse?

    This is unsettling. Maybe Lucy did have her moments of physical outbursts, but Desi Jr. just never saw any firsthand. It's heartbreaking what alcohol, stress and pressure can do to a person, let alone a marriage.
  9. Yesterday
  10. Desi Jr.: Adult survivor of abuse?

    Thanks so much for tracking that excerpt down. And your above commentary pretty much tracks with what I was thinking. A few additional thoughts/reactions: - I didn't realize that Lucie and Desi, Jr. were so close. So I really enjoyed learning about that. - I also assumed that Lucy was the more violent one. Harriet's supposed story about Lucy hitting Desi over the head, knocking him out cold, and believing he was dead, also comes to mind. I can't recall if there was any act of violence from Desi that prompted that. (I should point out that the story is totally hearsay and probably shouldn't have been reported on. But I note it because it is another story out there about violence within the marriage.) I believe I read somewhere that Lucy and Desi's fights would sometimes get physical. But if it got that bad, wouldn't we have heard more about Lucy coming to the set with physical signs? Given her job, it would be hard to hide. You noted that he'd get physically violent with men but not with women. In my opinion, the "me too" moment that Paula Stewart shared in her book about her first encounter with Desi is pretty darn close. It wasn't anger-induced violence, but lust-induced (and alcohol-fueled). And it was something that shocked me a bit. I previously would've found it hard to believe that he behaved like that with strange women, because we hadn't heard any similar reports. So, with regard to Desi and violence toward Lucy or the kids, it makes me think anything's possible. One additional thought. Maybe Desi, Jr.'s commentary was vague about the type of violence (i.e. violence against objects vs. violence against human beings) because it was an editorial decision. Maybe the editors were trying to sensationalize it and make it fit better with the "adult survivors of abuse" theme. Final thought: will Lucie and/or Desi, Jr. please write a book already? So many unanswered questions in my mind. They both clearly loved their father, so things couldn't have been THAT bad. But who really knows except them.
  11. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    On TV, Lucille Ball had it all! She was the fun-loving, hysterical actress who fans couldn’t bear to hate, but behind the scenes, the Hollywood icon had her own issues to deal with. At age 75, the I Love Lucy star signed on to play Lucille Barker once more, but this time she was going to be a widow and grandmother and the show was going to be called, Life With Lucy. “The I Love Lucy legacy allowed Life With Lucy to happen, but it was a terrible burden,” Thomas Watson, her former publicist, exclusively recalled to Closer Weekly in the magazine’s latest issue, on newsstands now. “The show was written by the same people that worked on the original I Love Lucy. They were still writing for that Lucy, instead of a Golden Girls kind of character or a grandma.” Even though Lucille tried to be optimistic, she couldn’t hide from the negative reviews her show had received after it finally made its debut on TV. “They were so bloody,” Ann Dusenberry, who played Lucy’s daughter on Life With Lucy, told Closer. “So bad and disrespectful. I was hurt for her. They showed no regard that she was an icon.” Apparently, the show was so bad that it was pulled off the air after its eighth episode aired. Even though the series was supposed to run for 22 episodes, ABC decided to pull the plug early. “It was so sad and disappointing,” Thomas said, and Lucy’s friend Michael Stern couldn’t help but notice how upset his pal was. “After an hour, I walked out with her,” Michael once said. “She started bawling.” But that didn’t stop Lucy’s career. She was still being offered many roles well into the last three years of her life, but during that time, the only thing Lucy cared about was her family. “Life is no fun without someone to share it with,” the mom of two has said. And with her husband, Gary Morton, by her side, Lucy felt completely at ease with the world. “Every time Gary walked in, it was like he was coming in from a honeymoon with her,” Michael has said. “That house had a lot of love.”
  12. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    Does the article plug the upcoming DVD release? Maybe I should pick it up at the store.
  13. They Love Lucy: Celebrity Lucy Fans

    Jonathan Groff loves Lucy. https://www.vulture.com/2019/09/jonathan-groff-little-shop-of-horrors.html
  14. Gag Headlines

    Ahahaha, love it! I'd totally watch the spinoff, The Brilliant Ms. Barra
  15. Gag Headlines

    Ah, loving this. I don't know if I want to see the part we he bangs have the Rocketts.
  16. Gag Headlines

    In an attempt to mine some of Amazon Prime's success with exploring the late 50s New York comedy scene, CBS All-Access will debut The Mediocre Mr. Morton this fall.
  17. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    Oh, interesting to read Ann's comments. Larry had some really good stuff to say about LWL.
  18. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    I’m glad they’ve picked a new cover photo!
  19. New ‘Closer’ cover featuring L&D

    Life with Lucy is getting a Closer cover story with interviews from Ann Dusenberry, Tom Watson, and Michael Stern.
  20. Last week
  21. Lucy & Desi Photo Thread (Vol. 2)

    I love these photos! This was a August 1971 event at the Hollywood Bowl for Nosotros, a group Ricardo Montalban founded to increase acting opportunities for Hispanic performers.
  22. Lucy & Desi Photo Thread (Vol. 2)

    I think its 1970 and I knew the event once but can't remember it now.
  23. Lucy & Desi Photo Thread (Vol. 2)

    I love the one of Lucy and Desi smiling at each other. Based on how the two of them look, would this be late 60s/early 70s? You certainly can't judge the era from Gary; his appearance never seemed to change (talk about a pickled ham!).
  24. Lucy Sightings!

    Voice actor Billy West is a guest on this week's episode of Gilbert Gottfried's podcast and they discuss his infamous debut on The Howard Stern Show in 1989 where he played an ailing Lucy calling in from Cedars-Sinai. He gives a sample of his portrayal, but it's not as accurate as when he originally did it (segments are available on YouTube). It's certainly not for thin-skinned Lucy fans, but I find it darkly humorous.
  25. Lucy Sightings!

    The Criterion Channel currently has that movie featured in a collection of Lupino's works- would you recommend it?
  26. The Desi Photo Thread

    Dumb me I just noticed the actual caption on the picture, which actually succinctly says it all! Still....the expression on DA's face is priceless!
  27. Desi Jr.: Adult survivor of abuse?

    I've read articles and interviews over the years from Jr. but nothing this revealing and nothing this revealing about this parents and the divorce. We knew Desi had a temper but what he describes is really bad. Obviously a lot of that was do to alcohol. Two things that are troublesome to me is first, that the kids basically had no outlet to express their feelings. I know Lucy talks in her book about sensing the kids were upset and has said they heard and saw too much but I took that as, well that commonly happens in divorce. But to be scared to seek help in your sibling because your afraid that if you express sadness it's questioned. I wonder how much this went on after the divorce and the remarriage. Was the Parent Trap the only outlet they thought they had? Did they talk to any other family members? Second is that I sort of always thought of Lucy as the more violent one when her temper got going. She admitted to the car window smashing as a reaction to a fight in the early part of their marriage and in that 1950 radio interview she is questioned about her temper and admitted to throwing things. But Jr. says that she wasn't violent it was his dad that was. And that things got physical. To me that could be 2 things. Either physical in that a lot of things were thrown, broke, etc... In the divorce proceedings the busted pipe incident was mentioned to demonstrate the temper and that was a full out violent physical reaction from Desi. Or that he actually got physical in the hitting, slapping, shoving, etc.. domestic violence sense. I never thought there was any of that going on. But who knows what someone is capable of with alcohol. There are reports of Desi drunk getting physical with other men but never women. Wasn't there a story in his book back in 39 where his dance partner in the show had a physically abusive husband and Desi stepped in? But knowing what is wrong and being under the heavy influence of alcohol is another thing. It's an odd sort of thing to say "physical" an then not explain it, because the mind goes there. Maybe Jr. kept it vague on purpose.
  28. The Desi Photo Thread

    " Yep, Barry that joke isn't getting any funnier the second time I hear it."
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