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  1. 3 points
    Most of us have seen each episode in the Lucy canon tens -- or even hundreds of times -- but what are some of the "new" details you've noticed in recent viewings that you hadn't noticed before or, thanks to the clarity of new sources available to us, are now able to see? One mentioned recently was the vinyl material used for Curtis' tie when it ends up in the pasta maker in Life With Lucy. Perhaps I'm not observant, but I don't recall noticing until watching The Star Upstairs last night that the Robert Taylor orange, in all its legibly signed glory, is sitting on the ledge above the desk for the entire episode before Lucy has the orange in-hand at the end. I'm now curious as to whether there was a scene cut from the beginning of the episode that would have showcased the orange and its signature, perhaps Lucy taking it out of her marketing bag and putting it in a place of pride. Despite the signature on the "orange" being very different from Robert Taylor's actual signature, the handwriting is meticulous for what was otherwise bound to be a background prop.
  2. 3 points
    From tonight’s viewing.
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    I take it everyone at Thanksgiving dinner will be getting a UPS bedazzled beanie.
  4. 3 points
    This is what I predict the book will be like: “Upon their first meeting, Carole Lombard said to Lucy, “Lucille, I was born Jane Alice Peters in Fort Wayne, Indiana. I was nominated for an Oscar for My Man Godfrey back in ‘36. Now, I’m married to Clark Gable, “the King of Hollywood.” Do you want to know what he’s like in bed?” (Continued for several pages)
  5. 2 points
    For the most part, I find season three much sillier and far less grounded than season two, but you're right, there is a renewed sense of energy. The Countess arc contains several of my favorite episodes. The biggest fly in the ointment is the lack of continuity with the first two years. I wish the new writers hadn't ditched the volunteer fire dept. and all the recurring friends. Their absence is glaring, and what new characters were introduced (Mrs. Valance) lack the development and personal touches that made the likes of Thelma Green and Audrey Simmons memorable. As well, while Vivian has some wonderful season three moments, I sometimes get the impression that she's just going through the motions. Maybe it has to do with all we've read, but her readiness to leave can sometimes come across as disinterest onscreen...at least to me. Having said that, however, I do think a number of third season episodes gave her more showcase moments than season two, where she was often relegated to the background to make way for Mr. Mooney. Steamboat Bessie being a prime example.
  6. 2 points
    Apologies for the double post, but I was watching "Lucy and the Good Skate," today, another superior third season installment. For anyone who is interested, Garry Marshall talks about this episode in his autobiography - which is definitely worth checking out. Marshall writes that he and his writing partner, Jerry Belson, had written a script that Lucy performed at a charity event in 1964 or 1965. When Milt Josefsberg took over, he remembered them from the charity event, and they were brought aboard. Initially, Garry Marshall didn't want to do it - he had done a couple of scripts for the Dick Van Dyke Show, and at the time, it was considered to be the "classier"/more sophisticated show. But Garry Marshall's wife had just had a baby, so Milt Josfsberg convinced him that The Lucy Show would give him greater job security/better exit opportunities. With regard to "Good Skate," Garry Marshall notes that the first draft was very different, and that Lucy didn't like it at all. She wrote "this is shit," on the cover, and handed it back to him. Lucy didn't think it had a strong enough climactic ending, so Marshall and Belson came up with the finale where Lucy keeps running into things on skates while at the party. Marshall notes that Lucy wasn't interested in plot or believability at this point - she just wanted the slapstick that the audience loved, so that's what the writers gave her. Later in the book, Marshall adds that many of the sitcoms that he wrote and developed in the 1970s - The Odd Couple, Happy Days, Mork and Mindy, etc. borrowed heavily from his work on The Lucy Show. In fact, his later show, Laverne and Shirley, was essentially a homage to his work with Lucy and Viv.
  7. 2 points
    Of all the story arcs on I Love Lucy --Baby, Europe, Florida, Move to Country--, this is the best. Imagine seeing these Hollywood shows first run! And having to wait a full week to find out what was to happen next. The third season was great but they admitted they were running out of ideas for self-contained episodes. The 4th season is my favorite. The episodes just got better and better. One wonders why they returned to New York at all because they were then whisked off to Europe. The greatness of this arc and Europe always stirs up the bile in my craw because of the lack of them in The Lucy Show or Here's Lucy, the most glaring missed opportunity was the parting of Lucy and Viv, Viv's wedding and Lucy's decision to move to LA. They could have done at least a half season and Viv's Wedding might have been the TV event of the year. Other than the few 2-parters, The Lucy Show and HL are maddening in their lack of any continuity.
  8. 1 point
    I see they're going to do another All in the Family. There's no denying the greatness of "AitF" and Norman Lear's contribution. But to me, the lasting appeal is in the performance of Carroll O'Connor. Beyond Family, I'm not much of a Norman Lear's 70s "relevant comedies". They're too broadly played, very "presentational", WAY too LOUD with everybody YELLING; and not all that funny. Their social themes are hammered with the subtlety as that garlic sandwich. Plus they ushered in that era of videotape instead of film. Thankfully the MTM crowd stuck with film. Positive note on the Lear shows: I liked their theme songs. I have to give them chutzpah credit for attempting to recreate episodes from the original scripts. I saw the last one. I can't say they really succeeded, but it's always fun to see something LIVE. So "All in the Family": fine, but "Good Times"? Really?? Maybe I never saw a good episode. Personally I'd rather see a cast recreate "Lucy is NG as RN"!
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    I was involved in an earlier iteration of this project. The dream Maude the producers went into pitch this idea with was Julia Louis-Dreyfus. (Incidentally, Louis C.K. was the dream Archie Bunker -- pre-2017 -- with Molly Shannon as the ideal Edith.) As for Good Times, all the producers wanted to do Sanford And Son as the last of the big four, but because that was a Yorkin series with which Lear had limited involvement, the latter insisted upon Good Times instead.
  10. 1 point
    That's a really good question. Wendie Malick came to my mind as a possibility. She can be fiery and feisty...maybe not to the same degree as Bea, but perhaps she'd put her own stamp on it.
  11. 1 point
    At the Comedy Center in Jamestown last year, on display was a pink and gold gown worn by Lucy that the group had trouble identifying. Finally it was determined that this was Lucy’s costume from John Wayne’s Swing Out, Sweet Land, but without the floor length vest she wore over it. While watching Lucy and the Generation Gap today, I had the realization that this was the same costume Lucy wore as Mrs. Julius Caesar. I somehow never made the connection before. Maybe the long wig and crown jazzed it up a bit more.
  12. 1 point
    First episode, season 3 of The Marvelous Mrs Maisel has a Desi reference by Jane Lynch's character. I actually LOLed at it.
  13. 1 point
    My favorite of the MADtv parodies was when Lucy and Ethel cut crack rocks in order to earn money for new dresses. They did so on a conveyor belt in their living room. So silly yet still funny.
  14. 1 point
    Will & Grace will be doing a special I Love Lucy-themed episode and Lucie will play Elvia Allman in their candy factory sequence! This is so exciting! https://ew.com/tv/2019/11/25/will-and-grace-i-love-lucy-episode/
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    I've heard Joyce Van Patten's episode of the Gottfried show and it's great (just like every other episode), and I believe I've shared her comments here before. From what I remember, Joyce said that she and Lucy got along, but that Lucy seemed to want a closer friendship than Joyce was up for, which in turn made Lucy a little cold. I believe she also described Gary as "a very good valet", or something like that, which I find hilarious.
  17. 1 point
    Neil's post just made me wonder: how many involved with the film did interviews recounting the experience? The only one I've seen to any extent was Bea Arthur, and none of her comments were exactly flattering. She never went public with her opinion of Lucy being miscast until well after Lucy's death, and even then made sure to point out that she was lovely to work with, nevertheless. Bea seemed particularly resentful of Gene Saks essentially guilting her into doing it. I know Jerry Herman has talked about it, and expressed how fond he grew of Lucy because of how hard she worked, even if he wasn't thrilled with the finished product. Did Jane Connell or any of the others ever discuss their opinions of the movie?
  18. 1 point
    Oh my, look at her. She's clearly terrified! Luvs, your "is it safe?" caption popped into my head before I even read your post.
  19. 1 point
    Crawford emerging from her TLS dressing room.
  20. 1 point
    I watched “Lucy’s Contact Lenses” again this morning. This is one of the better third season episodes, partly because it was written by Bob Schiller and Bob Weiskopf, but I agree with the posters upthread who noted that the dialogue wasn’t as “crisp” as the episodes they wrote with Bob and Madelyn. Bob and Madelyn had a flair for writing witty banter/repartee that the other writers couldn’t seem to replicate. I did notice two major plot holes in this episode though. First, Mr. Mooney says that he put Lucy’s fudge cake aside because his wife “thinks Lucy is the best baker in town,” when the second season finale (“Lucy Enters A Baking Contest,”) established that Lucy Carmichael doesn’t have much of a reputation as a baker. Second, Lucy tells Mr. Mooney that she made the second chocolate fudge cake for his sheepdog, Nelson, but chocolate is supposed to be poisonous to dogs. (Maybe they substituted gravy or something that looks like chocolate for the dog to eat in real life during the filming of this episode?) Aside from those quibbles though, I enjoyed this episode.
  21. 1 point
    I have a friend whose dad likes to order stuff from UPS- like literally from the UPS corporation- apparently they have a wide variety of products with their logo on it. Anyway, part of his big order included two beanies that had the company logo embroidered with sequins on it. All of the boxes come today and they realize that UPS has accidentally sent them bags and bags and bags filled with these bedazzled beanies. Watching the video of my friend's dad opening up each new box and pulling out more and more sparkly hats and piling them up on the kitchen counter looked a lot like Lucy and Ethel's side of beef being delivered.
  22. 1 point
    That summary of the "book" had me laughing. It's the first time I've ever heard George Sanders described as "Zsa Zsa Gabor's suicidal husband".
  23. 1 point
    BEWARE of anything written by Darwin Porter. He makes Boze Hadleigh look like Edward R Morrow----which is like saving Doris Ziffel makes Mother Burnside look like Mamie Van Doren.
  24. 1 point
    That sounds about right. Don’t forget that every male star “interviewed” will have invariably propositioned the writer.
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  26. 1 point
    I recently recalled a childhood Lucy moment: my dad and I watching a commercial for a videotape release of the lost pilot. As memory serves (and I could well be wrong), it wasn't the "Very First Show" version with the still of Lucy and Ricky, but instead featured the "Lucy Tells the Truth" knife-board photo on the cover. It looked like this particular release wasn't released in stores but was only available via mail order. At the time, being so young, I had no idea what a television pilot was, and just assumed it was an episode about an airplane pilot. I think dad used that commercial as an opportunity to explain the concept.
  27. 1 point
    Your pairing assessment in Staten Island is something I've long thought myself. Why this wasn't explored more I wonder?
  28. 1 point
    I’ve long been afraid these fiction artists would latch onto Lucy.
  29. 1 point
    I seldom watch Will & Grace but for this occasion I will be watching.
  30. 1 point
    Very interesting compilation of a bunch of intros for other failed comedies of the 80s. I recognized a few established stars (Brian Dennehy) and a few that went on to great work (Bryan Cranston). But for the most part, these actors were never heard from again. Imagine toiling in show business and getting your BIG BREAK, featuring prominently enough in a new network show that your name is in the opening credits....writing all your friends back home (and you know how friends back home can be)....and then a year later, your agent is not returning your calls. A heart-breaking business: show.
  31. 1 point
    Yes. Brock can correct me if I'm wrong but I think in the earlier days of Diane and Rhonda's Jamestown shows they had more leeway with reenacting famous scenes but something changed with CBS and they can't even get close to the sketches or lines. So they do a theme every year for an all original show.
  32. 1 point
    For those interested in the alternate Lucie Arnaz & Cy Coleman theme song, I found some information and lyrics that Lucie shared years ago. Not sure if these have been circulated recently or not:
  33. 1 point
    Courtesy of the wayback machine, I've been perusing the "Ask Lucie" archive from the former incarnation of Lucie Arnaz's website. One question from the 2001 section popped out at me: Was this our bored and talented webmaster, or by coincidence a different Brock from Canada?
  34. 1 point
    Had Lucille been willing to step more outside the "Lucy" mold, the results could've been fascinating. I think you're absolutely right about Gary being a brick wall to that possibility, however. Lucie Arnaz put it best in her archive interview, where she said that Gary was good for her in so many ways but wasn't the best person to make her career decisions, especially on his own without any second opinions. As it is, while Life With Lucy had its issues, there was plenty of room to work with what they had, and the show was already undergoing development and growth. The last four produced were quite a bit stronger than many that preceded them. Had they continued past the initial 13, I'm sure the quality would've continued to improve even more. Plus, as you pointed out, it's far more watchable than many other shows of the era. I'd take Life With Lucy over the likes of Full House any day!
  35. 1 point
    Having now seen all 13 episodes in high quality, I've reevaluated my opinion of the show. I feel the way many nowadays do: it needed work, but it was hardly a disaster. True, the premise could've been better constructed, and some of the roles given stronger personalities, but there was plenty of room to work with what they had. The last four episodes shot were considerably stronger than many that preceded them, and that growth would've likely continued. I see a show that had a good heart and was genuinely eager to please. It may not have consistently succeeded, but it did often enough to bestow it with significant charm. For the first time, I was genuinely disappointed there weren't more episodes to enjoy. I'm already looking forward to re-watching them all. The series can only be considered lacking compared to Ball's past TV outings (although personally, I think the weakest LWL episodes are still stronger than a number of Here's Lucy offerings). Since 1986, there have been countless sitcoms that have come and gone which were genuinely lousy, far worse than anything this show provided, and had there been more "bad" shows to compare it to at the time, people might've reacted differently. LWL may have been considered a dud when newly minted, but I think time has been kind to it, and I truly feel it deserved more of a chance (and a better time slot). At least we'll always have these 13 as the cherry on top of her preceding episodes.
  36. 1 point
    There should've been a trippy spinoff showcasing Ted Mooney and Herbie Walton's adventures at the Hairy Ape, with futile efforts from wholesome brother Bob to set them straight before corrupting little Arnold, who's homemade buzzcut makes him look totally cool to all the apes. What a 60's time capsule that would've been! Faye not only kicks, she hits!
  37. 1 point
    You never forget Michael J. Pollard after he makes an appearance somewhere. Somebody in “the biz” (can’t remember who) said that he once saw him on the street and told him what a fan he was. All that Pollard did was growl at him. “Unique” is an understatement! It’s very cool that until recently, Bonnie and Clyde, a movie more than a half-century old, still had all of its cast members alive and kicking (with Faye doing most of the kicking!), and all of them were Oscar nominated!
  38. 1 point
    Viv is this week’s cover girl!
  39. 1 point
    Learns to Drive: When I first started collecting the DVDs, I was surprised to go through the bonus features and see that "Learns to Drive" had a My Favorite Husband counterpart. It's fascinating to compare the radio and TV versions of the episodes, which are both so brilliant. Sometimes it felt like MFH was just itching to have a visual component. California: I swear I've heard somewhere that that iconic shot of the Fab Foursome singing in the car is one of, if not the most-seen image ever? Obviously as a Lucy fan I'd seen it plenty of times in books and documentaries and on merchandise, but I can vividly remember the feeling I got the first time I saw the actual episode in full. Sure it's hokey, with the random orchestration backing them up and the obvious rear projection, but the sheer energy sends the sequence through the roof. It's been 60+ years, but I get the same feeling as the Ricardos and the Mertzes whenever I take off on a road trip with friends and we start singing together. First Stop: I love when I'm going down the highway and see random signs that look like they're from Aunt Sally's ancestors. As recently as last Tuesday, while en route to a concert in Detroit, I saw "Ida's Famous Chicken Dinners" and immediately flipped. "We have to go there!! I don't care if it's half an hour out of our way!"
  40. 1 point
    Over the past weekend (on Amazon), I watched "County Club Dance," "Housewarming," and "Building a Bar-B-Que." It really made me wish we'd had gotten a seventh season of half-hour shows. I so enjoy the Lucy/Ethel/Betty dynamic. The Connecticut move certainly could have provided another season's worth of plots.
  41. 1 point
    Getting Ready This and the two episodes that follow really feel like a 3-parter. It's hard to think of one and not recall one of the others. Some feel they "blur" together, and I can understand why, but you've got to hand it to Jess - the suspense and excitement for the inevitable trip was excellently built. These episodes really make it feel like it does when you're gearing up for a big, fun trip. Preparing is stressful, but the anticipation makes it all worthwhile. Perhaps the funniest thing about this particular installment in modern times is the gang's reaction to Fred's Cadillac, and how they consider it a hunk o' junk. Can you imagine how much a '23 Cadillac touring car in that condition would be worth TODAY? (As an aside, I never realised the façade of the Mertz building was a picture printed on Canvas until I got the DVDs. On videotape, it's much harder to discern, and must've been impossible to spot on 1950s televisions. I used to think they built a complete set, with windows and everything. Even on HD screens, the effect is still pretty convincing, even if it is obvious upon close scrutiny.) Lucy Learns to Drive Man, but this is one of my favorites. The sight-gag of the two cars stuck together, and then Lucy driving them back onscreen in the opposite order, is sheer genius. As memory serves, this is one of the last (if not THE last) episodes to have part of its plot taken from a My Favorite Husband installment - Liz Teaches Iris to Drive. On radio, of course, the audience got to be in the front car when the one attached came loose, and experienced it all through Iris and Liz's dialogue. Not possible on television, but this is one instance where telling instead of showing paid off. Seeing the cars switch positions and hearing a shell-shocked Lucy recall the experience was so cleverly done. It's a pity The Camping Trip was chosen for rebroadcast a few weeks before this one aired - they just had to pick the one episode where Ethel knows how to drive, only to have it immediately retconned. (Boy, was I confused as a kid - the CBS/FOX VHS release of The Camping Trip included the season 4 flashback opening. This was back before I knew they created flashbacks for original reruns, and I couldn't figure out how a season 2 episode could be setting up a season 4 plotline!) California, Here We Come This is my mother's favorite episode, and the shot of the four of them singing is her single favorite scene from the whole series. It does feature a lot of fighting, but I still love the script and enjoy its flow. This and Hedda Hopper contain Kathryn Card's most substantial, and best, performances in the role. She was so brilliant in the part its easy for me to overlook the obvious fact that Mrs. McGillicuddy was created solely to get Little Ricky out of the way for the California episodes. Knowing there was no convincing way Mrs. Trumbull could tag along, the writers came up with an admirable and creative solution. It does seem a bit odd to me, however, that Ricky was so willing to let her care for the baby alone for such a lengthy period of time, given his opinion of her competence level. (The "Mickey Richardson" joke is easily my all-time favorite Ethel line, and ties with "Shrinking Violet Got Sanforized" for my two favorite lines of the whole show. Mickey Richardson is still a running gag in my family.) First Stop As much as I love this one, some inconsistencies occurred to me this viewing I'd never thought of before - The gang left NYC around 6:00 PM, and it takes around 8 hours to reach Ohio by car (probably longer back then). If Ricky had been driving all night to make up for lost time, shouldn't the time frame be early morning instead of evening? There's no way it could still be the same day. Additionally, all of them are griping about how hungry they are, yet Mrs. McGillicuddy and Mrs. Trumbull each gave them huge baskets full of food. However, all they've got left is a stale sandwich and a grape. That would mean that they'd all have to be eating non-stop for 8 hours to clear those baskets, yet they're starving? In other words, there's no way One Oak could logically be their first stop. Perhaps the episode should've had a different title, as there's nothing in the script to suggest they couldn't have stopped elsewhere the previous day. That might also explain why the sandwich was stale. (The "Aunt Sally's Pecan Pralines" joke is another favorite in my family. I feel the urge to say it every time I pass a big road sign.)
  42. 1 point
    #1. You could be right, but I have trouble picturing it. Did Angela ever do glamor in the movies? But even Angela could not have overcome THAT script with THAT direction. I don't know that anyone could have. One reviewer, while fairly positive about the movie, noted that "this Mame comes to the screen with considerable stuffing knocked out it" and "your enjoyment depends heavily on your memories of the original". When you do a musical of a play, you've got to eliminate roughly 45 minutes of plot to make room for the songs. Broadway: getting rid of the O'Banyon character also eliminates the absurd, hilarious comedy of him dating and MARRYING Agnes Gooch (falling for Mame's story that she is a wealthy heiress), but they had to ditch SOMETHING. The movie goes too far. Eliminating the plot thread of Mame's autobiography--a huge mistake. Because after Beau dies, there's a big hole where nothing much happens until we get to the Upsons. Yes, I suppose they had to follow the basic story line. But was there really any need to kill Beau off to make the rest of the plot work? The movie also eliminates the Babcock-Upson connection which was an even bigger mistake. But I've got the PERFECT solution! (later) #2. Though Mame depicts the years 1928-1948, it has a much more contemporary feel than Dolly. Other than the stock market crash, there are no historic references I can think of that make it a period piece. Both movies look like they were set in the year of their release. The colossal failure of the 1983 revival is baffling. And OF COURSE, there was some who blamed Lucy for tarnishing the reputation of the property.
  43. 1 point
    So, last night in a bout of insomnia I decided to do something productive and got up and re-read Lucy In The Afternoon for the first time since I was probably... maybe 10- or 11-years-old. Having first read it so young, it didn't really register how self-indulgent this book really is and how jarringly out-of-character some of the quotes attributed to LB -- although probably rooted in a kernel or two of fact -- really are. Now, I'm curious to re-read Lee Tannen's book as a comparison.
  44. 1 point
    What becomes a legend most?.... I love the juxtaposition of Dame Ann Miller in her Halston original and the Merm in that housedress.
  45. 1 point
    I'm disappointed but not surprised that the syndicated versions were used. Those must've been the cleaned up versions they already prepared some time ago. I doubt they considered it worthwhile to remaster all the network originals given the show's niche appeal. I hope they all still survive, though!
  46. 1 point
    And don't forget in the Paris episode we get to see Bob Carroll Jr. as he stalks Lucy across Europe. And a quick glimpse of Madelyn too.
  47. 1 point
    Back in the good old Public Domain days, I always believed the longstanding rumor that Joe Pesci was a part of the band in the Carol two-parter. Now, in HD, it's pretty obvious that he isn't, but I wonder how that rumor got started. He's still credited on IMDb! Even though episodes from the second half of TLS are, as Neil says, sometimes closer to skits than sitcom episodes, they still are ridiculously entertaining. Looking at everything else that was on the air from 1965-68, it's no wonder that the show came closest to ILL's commercial success in spite of an obvious downtick in quality. Previously excellent shows like Andy Griffith and Beverly Hillbillies were past their prime, and besides variety shows, TLS was one of the only places you could see comedy in front of a live audience! Episodes like "Roommate" or "Meets The Berles" really could play as a sketch on a variety show without any changes- there really aren't characters or story arcs that we're invested in- but they deliver such great laughs from great performers that there's no reason to complain. Connection: Carol sings "Heard Hearted Hannah" at the end of the episode. After she left Gary Moore she was replaced by the incomparable Dorothy Loudon, who gave a similarly burlesque performance of the song on her short lived sitcom that was written by Bob and Madelyn!
  48. 1 point
    Helen Hunt recently shared a selfie from the set with CLORIS LEACHMAN as well! This is really shaping up to be a must-see.
  49. 0 points
    Jesus Christ... https://www.amazon.ca/Lucille-Ball-Desi-Arnaz-Ricardo/dp/1936003716/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=lucille+ball&qid=1574874382&sr=8-1
  50. 0 points
    World's Greatest Grandma I have a hard time watching this one, given the lump it puts in my throat. Though not intentional, it's status as the last sitcom episode Lucille would ever shoot is very poignant in hindsight. The "Sunrise, Sunset" monologue gets me every time. And could there EVER have been a more fitting final line for her to deliver than "Boy, am I a winner!" She was indeed.
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