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  1. 3 points
    Those films are looking a whole lot better right now.
  2. 3 points
    I really need to see it a second time before I can fully articulate my thoughts. Suffice it to say I’ll likely be watching “Before the Laughter” and “Lucy” as palette cleansers afterwards.
  3. 2 points
    Very astute observations. Tape-Film...oh....Potato-Potahto. 'Desi was much younger than Lucy"--well 5 1/2 years isn't all THAT much younger. When they got married, Señor Golddapper was still in high school! (assuming he went). Pardon me if someone has already mentioned this but Madelyn delivering a fattening-up breakfast to Vivian?? SHEESH! Were they still using the "20 pounds overweight" gag contract as a basis for this scene? Unless Madelyn had this hidden snarky streak in real life, she would never have made a crack about the RKO writing of Lucy's films. In his book, Jess didn't like Desi being named Executive Producer. I'm not sure what an executive producer does. There seems to be a dozen of them tied to every project from sitcoms to...this one (including Lucie and Desi Jr. credited with EP). I don't know why Jess objected because as president of Desilu, wasn't Desi the de facto Exec Producer?
  4. 1 point
    This is cool yet kinda creepy, too! Poor Nicole! Her "real" (reel??) face hasn't moved that much in years!
  5. 1 point
    Thumbs down! So many things to criticize. However, I'll confine myself to one gripe at this time: the way Bob Carroll, Jr. was portrayed as a no-talent riding on Madelyn's coattails. I suppose the mere fact Madelyn was a comedy writer in such a male-dominated field in the 1940s and 50s wasn't enough of a "statement" for Sorkin.
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    As you noted, shows today often have multiple executive producers - particularly since the stars often take "vanity" executive producer credits. (My understanding is that at the recent Friends reunion, for example, all 6 stars received EP credits as a courtesy, even though they weren't all involved on the creative side of things.) There is still usually once "main" executive producer, though, and that person is the showrunner. The showrunner selects the writing staff, reads over each script to make sure it comes from one "voice," and is in charge of planning that season's story arcs. The showrunner often has creative approval over the final cut of each episode before it is delivered to the network. Since, according to the Desilu book, Jess did all of the things a showrunner today typically does, he likely deserved executive producer credit. I'm not clear on why he and Desi *both* couldn't get EP credit, but I guess that wasn't done in the '50s. (As an aside, if the show were produced today, I have no doubt that Lucy would have gotten a producer credit as well. While Lucy wasn't as involved on the creative side as she would be in later years, Jess and Desi often deferred to Lucy when they had creative disagreements, and Lucy certainly wasn't shy about sharing her thoughts re: the scripts or how each scene should be played.)
  7. 1 point
    Although I think is very necessary for I Love Lucy to be on a major streaming service with every episode included to get new, young people engaged, I don’t think Lucy is in danger of being forgotten. Lucy is a huge part of the culture right now. She’s being celebrated everywhere. In the past few months, we’ve had the SiriusXM pop up channel, TCM’s podcast and Star of the Month salute to Lucy, plus onscreen depictions in Being the Ricardos and Licorice Pizza. Soon we will have Amy Poehler’s Lucy and Desi documentary too. All of these projects are garnering major attention. I think Lucy’s in good shape right now.
  8. 1 point
    I was amazed at the numbers of younger (and even older) people commenting on Amazon's Ricardoes movie who said they had never seen I Love Lucy or didn't know who Lucy and Desi were. I guess the constant reruns of my youth aren't around anymore...and CBS isn't even doing the colorized Christmas anymore. This forum doesn't seem to be as active. Yes there are some projects out there but sad to say Lucy and Desi seem to be passing into the past history..... Any thoughts? I hate to see that the Amazon movie will be all people know about my favorite couple...
  9. 1 point
    Look what's on the Amazon home page right now ... Are the people running their website paying attention? Or are they just ill-informed?
  10. 1 point
    Overall it was pretty boring. I was very anticipatory eager but it was a let down. In fact our internet went out during the last 20 minutes and my first thoughts were “good, I can go to bed and watch the rest tomorrow!” Early in the movie they lost their credibility when the crew was getting ready to TAPE an episode. TAPE? There wasn’t any tape in 1953........Come on. Nobody caught that? Other funny things I noticed....like when they re-created Lucy’s radio show the original script said it was the “gay new family series starring Lucille Ball with Richard Denning.” Of course they left the word GAY out! Too funny. The whole thing was very contrived. Lucy calling a “secret” meeting alone with Viv and Bill to go over a scene in the middle of the night at the studio. The chemistry between Lucy and Desi was amazing in real life. Here Lucy was a driven bitch. Way too much bickering between the writers and the stars and between the stars themselves. I don’t think it would happen that way or they wouldn’t get anything done. They obviously put together various events into one week that happened various years. Even the show they were shooting when Lucy was exposed as a Communist wasn’t the show they were actually doing that week. Westinghouse was their sponsor in the hour long shows. They made it sound like Westinghouse was a sponsor of the 1/2 hour series which wasn’t true. The actor who played Desi was waaay too old. And too tall...Desi was much younger than Lucy and this guy looked like an older man. Desi had to wear elevator shoes in real life on the show. William Frawley was portrayed as Lucy’s chum and even took her to the bar...just the two of them. No way..... That’s my take on it...They sure gave it a lot of publicity so it will probably win a lot of awards but as my wife said “Lucy would turn over in her grave if she saw this.” I agree. The truth is that most younger people don’t even know who Lucy is so to them this will be the new truth which is sad. I recommend Lucie Arnaz’s Home Movies documentary. Much more interesting and not a bunch of hype.
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    I'm pretty sure they used the clip of the audio interview I posted on Youtube from the Lou Gordon Show which I recorded on my cassette player when Desi was in Detroit doing a book promo for "A Book." Glad they were able to use it but it would have been nice to be acknowledged on the credits! I could have been famous....
  12. 1 point
    I absolutely DESPISED it. No SPARK between Desi and Lucy. No softness just 2 power hungry actors. I agree with everything y'all already said!
  13. 1 point
    Mmm ... Lucy walking down the stairs. I agree with you that it would have been filmed that same evening. But I have to admit, I can't remember the specifics. It was likely just a precursor to her meeting with the Peter Graves character for their date. What I DO remember is that 1 of the 3 cameras ran out of film in the middle of the scene where Lucy is admiring herself in the mirror, saying: "Yeah, I've still got it!" Either the DOP or the Director had to inform Lucy that she had to do the scene again. She asked: How could 1 camera run out of film, but NOT the other 2? I couldn't hear the response, but I thought it was a very good question. Her main concern was the audience. I recall her saying: "Their response is not going to be as good the 2nd time through." In any case, they backed up and took another run at the scene and she altered her delivery just a little to try to breathe new life into the line. As I recall, the audience cooperated by generating a laugh almost as big as the first time through. As for Gary's warm-up, I had the feeling that he had used the material many times before because some of the jokes seemed quite dated. But more than that, I was surprised by the adult content of the material. I know that Lucy always prided herself on her tv shows being something that the whole family could watch. So that's why Gary's warm-up was so jarring to me. Had we been in a night club setting, I wouldn't have thought anything of the adult jokes. But IMHO they were inappropriate for the studio audience that was there that evening. Of course, others may have liked Gary's jokes. We all have different tastes.
  14. 1 point
    I was wondering how many forum members were lucky enough to see any of Lucy's four tv series being filmed live? As for myself, I was able to attend the filming of "Love Among the Two X Fours" (the 6th* episode of "Life With Lucy"). It was great fun to see her and Gale Gordon perform live in the summer of 1986. But I also remember thinking that Gary Morton's warm-up was inappropriate (at times), given the nature of the audience in the bleachers. *6th episode filmed, that is.
  15. 1 point
    I know Neil got to attend a few filmings, and I believe Joey was in the audience for the first LWL. Hopefully they'll see this and share some of their memories. That's so neat you got to see 2x4s! Question for you: the opening title sequence appeared to feature a shot from this episode that wound up cut - Lucy walking down the stairs in her pink dress while Larry Anderson fanned himself. This may be a long shot, but do you perhaps recall the context of that scene? In what way was Gary's warmup inappropriate, if I may ask?
  16. 1 point
    This was wonderful to read. Thank you, Joey! Happy New Year!
  17. 1 point
    Just got done reading that. Absolutely brilliant and absolutely spot on.
  18. 1 point
    I fully support everything Ken says here: http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2022/01/the-i-love-lucy-movie-i-would-like-to.html
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    Maybe she was. She sure wasn't Lucille Ball.
  21. 1 point
    I’m shocked and heartbroken. It just felt like she was always going to be there with us. Of course, that’s not true as we all have to go sometime. But still this one stings. She was definitely America’s sweetheart. Rest in pease my sweet Betty! So hello to Lucy and the other legends up there. xoxo
  22. 1 point
    There are no words. No words. Except we will always love and appreciate you. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/dec/31/golden-girls-star-betty-white-dies-aged-99
  23. 1 point
    The 2003 one in particular. Whatever license and timeline shifting that film took pales in comparison to what Sorkin did. And at least “Lucy” made an effort at nuanced and sympathetic portrayals of Ball and Arnaz, and tried to explain what made them tick in a non-salacious way.
  24. 1 point
    I had been waiting on Ken's review. He talks about how poorly sitcom writing is portrayed in the film . http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2021/12/being-ricardos-my-review.html
  25. 1 point
    For a film that has packed so much into it I felt like it didn't have much to say or tell us about anybody. Starting with the 3 main plots, Red Scare, Baby and Confidential article, the Red Scare should have been the only one used. It does create tension throughout the week of rehearsal and it comes to a conclusion. Getting the baby episodes approved by CBS and Phillip Morris is just more executives in Desi's office, which we already have for the red scare. The Confidential article has major issues though. It keeps coming up throughout the movie and goes back to Desi saying he was playing cards with the boys on his boat. What I'm never clear on is if Lucy knew he had cheated in the past. This is crucial to know because it's something that ran through their whole marriage. Lucy knew. The Confidential article was the piece that now made it public. I was never able to fully feel that Nicole was Lucy and still think she was miscast. They could have helped her if they even tried to give her similar Lucy hair. But what was more troublesome was how she is written. Nicole acted this fine but the Lucy we got was a hard nosed lady with a witty remark, a comeback or something cutting to say at all times. This was not Lucy. Never once did I get warmth, softness, lovable and she loved to laugh. I don't recall her laughing once in the film. Javier is fine but unremarkable mainly due to the fact he felt like a supporting character. This is Lucy's movie. What my biggest problem in all the Lucy Desi scenes was is the lack of love. These are 2 people who deeply loved each other and were always showing it. The scenes at the studio felt more like business partners than lovers. I need to see this connection between them and why they believed in each other so much. I liked the first night they spent together but it lacked intimacy. An audience needed to see why under all these obstacles these 2 people stuck it out for 19 years. The I Love Lucy scenes were completely unnecessary, cringy and Nicole's Lucy Ricardo voice was a bit scary. The movie uses the writers as they were talking in a documentary in the future. It gives us exposition I don't think we need and slows down the pacing. Take those scenes and the I Love Lucy scene out and the time could have been spent elsewhere. Everything moved at such a clip that very few scenes had room to breath. A few that I really liked did and I wanted more like that. Especially in the Lucy Desi flashback scenes that I thought were effective and enjoyable. And I wanted more of those too.. We could have got a much better sense of who Lucy and Desi really were deep down but I don't feel I got to know Desi and nothing about why Lucy was the way she was. The rehearsal stuff on the set with the dining room scene is really tedious and as it went on just got annoying. Lucy would have never dressed down the writers at the table read or on the set. If she had script issues she went to Desi and he handled them. There are a lot of times Desi is talking to the writers and I saw none of his charm. The Cuban Arm as they called him. He knew how to get that stuff taken care of in a respectful way and this wasn't evident. As for the writers. WOW. With all the interviews out there of Bob and Madelyn and Jess's book I don't understand why they came off as nothing even close to the real people. Bob seemed like a timid little boy who Madelyn kept picking on. And she was always trying to get the credit, I think because they were making her out to be some female crusader in a world of men? Jess and Desi had issues but Jess knew how to stand up for himself and he also knew how to control Lucy, where he doesn't in the film. Bill really stole the film and that I think is because JK is a fine actor. I don't think it was necessarily entirely true to Bill's personality but I don't know him that well. Bill would often be the voice of reason but then that cramugeon side came out and it was funny. Vivian I just felt bad for. She got saddled with this story of her looks and weight being an issue. There is a scene in her dressing room about Vivian not eating, Madelyn brings her food. Lucy comes in and they discuss the weight and that it matters that Ethel stays fat so Vivian should stop losing weight. For Vivian who in real life dealt with mental health issues it just got to me. That scene was the only time in the film I really lost it, tears down my cheeks. Did I hate it, no but I didn't like it. I have so many emotions on how people were portrayed that I think it just leaves me sad for all those real people who worked on the show. But I don't think this will do damage to Lucy and Desi. That was a huge fear. They are too beloved that people hopefully will not believe this is who they were and reject this telling. Especially Lucy, because the Lucy I saw in this film was not the lady I've come to love.
  26. 1 point
    Thumbs down from me too! I'll follow suit and confine my criticism here to one thing: Sorkin's general disregard for I LOVE LUCY, exhibited in his script's failure to understand why the series worked then, and by proxy, why this film even has an audience now. His perspective is dramatically counterintuitive too, for if Lucille cares significantly about her work, but Sorkin says her work isn't worth caring about, then he's asking the audience not to care about a significant part of her, right? So, why bother?
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  28. 1 point
    "Plot Continues" episode concerning Life with Lucy prompted me to go back and re-watch episode 1. I found it much more enjoyable than I remember. There are enough Lucy-like laughs to satisfy anyone wanting classic Lucy. The whole fire extinguisher bit was...at least something they'd never done before...and it IS funny in the classic block-comedy ending tradition. Is it possible the whole melee-scene is ruined, spoiled by that ONE shot--where they reveal suds coming from a 2nd out of camera range source? I'm thinking yes. Lucy is cute and sweet through most of the episode. On down side: I don't like her tapping Gale's sunburned nose. Other minuses: all four of the Barker/McGibbon off-spring. I don't know what Larry was trying to do with his glasses-on/glasses-off routine but I don't think he did it after this one episode. It was a little off-putting but at least it was SOMETHING. The writers didn't know what to do with those 4. With no comical quirks written into the character, there was nothing for them to work with. The difference between 50s-60s sitcoms vs. 80s+beyond sitcoms is that the performers of the early sitcoms came to television with a vast array of experience: movies, radio, stage, even vaudeville. So if the material was poor, which it often was, they were savvy enough to use some of those tricks up their sleeve to improve things, drawing from that pre-TV training ground. Or at least make things seem funnier than they are. By the time the 80s, those performers were gone, so what we got were attractive, even likable actors. They could recite lines well enough but were without the experience to create a character when it's not on the page. Just imagine if they had bypassed Katherine Card for some actress who would just be filler with a character that was more utilitarian driven than an attempt to expand the show's scope. (how are we going to ditch Little Ricky?) Katherine was PERFECT. I don't know that we have that caliber around today. With pre-premiere publicity, Life with Lucy was expected to be I Love Lucy (same writers, same....). One columnist put it most realistically "Let's hope that it's half as good as I Love Lucy, and twice as good as Here's Lucy."
  29. 1 point
    I read on a home media site where someone with insider knowledge said that if "Andy" does well then "Lucy" MIGHT be considered for a series release on Blu-ray.
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