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  1. 3 points
    "Lucy Finally Cuts Guess Who's G-String." Lucy learns that Kim has been secretly working as an exotic dancer to offset her increased living expenses since moving into Uncle Herb's building. Planning to stop Kim, Lucy and Harry go undercover into the seedy club run by Dirty Jack. But upon seeing Harry, Dirty Jack instantly says "Hiya, Harry. You going to make it rain again tonight?"
  2. 3 points
    I stumbled across 1966's "Lucy Gets a Roommate" (Carol Burnett) on youtube. It is by far the best of Carol's 7 TLS/HL appearances. This was a year before Carol got her variety series and four years after she left The Garry Moore Show. In the meantime she had had a Broadway show and a special or two. But many CBS affiliates were unsure enough about Carol that they did not carry "TCBS" that fall (as I read in TV Guide), so I'm unclear just what Carol Burnett meant to the general public at that particular time. The episode is a fun and funny half-hour. I was struck by a couple things: -what a generous performer Lucille Ball was. The episode is designed as a showcase for Carol who is given the bulk of the comedy. Lucy carries her own but is essentially playing straight for Carol. 1966's Lucille Ball had nothing to prove, but not all performers would design a showcase for another who could potentially be considered a rival, and a 20-years younger one. -how far afield The Lucy Show got from the original premise in a very short period of time. Though undeniably funny, the "Roommate" proceedings are played much more broadly, sort of a sitcom-skit hybrid, a unique style that was not usually satisfying, IMO. I can't think of another similar sitcom, can you? It's impossible to imagine "Roommate" being done any time in the first 2 seasons. (I never equate the 3rd season Danfield episodes as being the same caliber as the first two). I didn't watch the Roommate sequel "Lucy and Carol in Palm Springs" but is there ANY reference to roommate Carol moving out of the Glenhall Apartments? As I recall, Carol Bradford's goofy, shy librarian character is totally different in "Palm Springs". The 1962-64 shows had at least SOME continuity but by this time TLS did not...and apparently no one cared. "Roommate" ranked #1 for its week!. Both the Carol Burnett TLS 2-parters offer a format-changing shift that is abandoned and never mentioned again after Bradford/Tilford returns to wherever she came from. The Tilford exit is even worse. They two DID graduate from stewardess school after all; and with enough honors to headline--some of their fellow graduates might say HOG---the graduation musical show (attended by ?????). Just try to imagine the 2-part stewardess shows as part of season 1 with Lucy and Viv playing the exact same script, Viv subbing for Carol! (...pausing while you do that....). To me the only highlight of both is the brief but hilarious visual of Lucy fighting the movie film upstream. Even when the comedy has potential, it's ruined by artificiality. The serving lesson has that fake-sounding over-dubbed tick of a clock. When Lucy and Carol's turn devolves into mayhem, it's accompanied by the annoying college fight song music---and doesn't the clock start ticking faster for no reason? Episodes like these are the type that have tarnished historic reputation of The Lucy Show. Entertaining (mostly) but vapid. .....sort of like my posts. When books are written about 60s TV shows, The Lucy Show, THE MOST successful sitcom of the decade (title shared with Andy Griffith), barely gets a mention, let alone any respect.
  3. 3 points
    Oh, I've thought about that - if the show was a hit, how long would she continue with it. I though maybe 3 seasons. If LWL was a hit that would have really kept Lucy in good spirits and maybe health and she probably would have lived longer. I think you are right, if the seasons had continued they would have eventually acknowledged the age issue. They never got a chance to work on improving the show.
  4. 3 points
    " Yep, Barry that joke isn't getting any funnier the second time I hear it."
  5. 3 points
    In honor of the upcoming Life With Lucy release: One Bad Grandparent Deserves a Smother: Curtis and Lucy's resentment of one another is taken to a new level when a sleepwalking Lucy attempts to smother Curtis in his sleep. A series of bizarre "accidents" then unfold with near fatal consequences for Lucy, such as the vibrating chair run amok. This ends after a stern lecture from Ted and Margo, who tell their parents that they're "too old" to be getting up to the same kind of shenanigans they used to. Making Love Among the Two-by-Fours: Leonard and his new girlfriend (Mindy Cohn) start having numerous lunchtime trysts around the hardware store, unaware Curtis has installed new security cameras after the burglary. The family gets the shock of their life, and the kids a lesson on the birds and the bees, when Curtis and Lucy review the tapes on the living room VCR. Lucy Gets Her Pliers Lost: While rearranging the P's, Mrs. Barker somehow misplaces an entire box of pliers, and will have the cost taken out of her paycheck if they don't turn up. The shoe's on the other foot, however, when Lucy discovers the box in Curtis' car. Realizing he was setting her up in order to have an excuse to fire her, Lucy spikes his fried eggs with laxatives the day an important client pays a visit. Lucy is a Wax Symbol: Wanting to stay hip, Lucy goes to a salon to inquire about bikini waxes. A representative from a hair removal company overhears her, and offers her free treatments in exchange for publicizing the results, as they wants to start appealing to an older demographic. Unfortunately, nobody told Lucy how painful this would be, and the deal goes sour fast when her televised waxing gets the company shut down for elderly abuse. Lucy Makes Curtis Right the Bust: Curtis is enlisted by Lucy to help redesign her brassieres, as the girls don't sit as evenly as they used to. Mother of the Wide: Good ol' two-chair Flo's mother (Frances Bavier) stops by to teach Curtis a lesson about fat-shaming. Lucy & The Lard Caboose: Mrs. Barker's infatuation with health food comes to an abrupt end after the latest tonic she tries (something called Vitametavegamin) causes her to black out. A post-hangover pizza rekindles her love of junk food, and soon Lucy can give cousin Flo a run for her money. Lucy's Lean Bum: Part two of the above episode - Lucy's weight becomes such an issue that the family ships her off to a health spa. Lucy soon turns weight loss into a competition after the spa's permanent resident Ann Sothern cracks, "and they said I got big!" Cracking Up Is Easy to Do: Curtis finally snaps his twig after cousins Ted and Harry introduce him to their respective secretaries.
  6. 2 points
    On the Home Theater Forum website someone posted that next week CBS will release the first season of "Miss Brooks" as a made on demand DVD set. See post #3577 https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/is-the-b-w-era-of-tv-on-dvd-slowly-coming-to-an-end.311401/page-179
  7. 2 points
    I see they're going to do another All in the Family. There's no denying the greatness of "AitF" and Norman Lear's contribution. But to me, the lasting appeal is in the performance of Carroll O'Connor. Beyond Family, I'm not much of a Norman Lear's 70s "relevant comedies". They're too broadly played, very "presentational", WAY too LOUD with everybody YELLING; and not all that funny. Their social themes are hammered with the subtlety as that garlic sandwich. Plus they ushered in that era of videotape instead of film. Thankfully the MTM crowd stuck with film. Positive note on the Lear shows: I liked their theme songs. I have to give them chutzpah credit for attempting to recreate episodes from the original scripts. I saw the last one. I can't say they really succeeded, but it's always fun to see something LIVE. So "All in the Family": fine, but "Good Times"? Really?? Maybe I never saw a good episode. Personally I'd rather see a cast recreate "Lucy is NG as RN"!
  8. 2 points
    That would've made a very interesting episode indeed, although probably far too risqué for 1950s television. Hell, there'd be people TODAY who'd consider that to be in bad taste. My mother's rather puritanical in many respects, and she considers the idea of married women or men spending time alone with someone of the opposite sex to be the height of impropriety, no matter the circumstances. Nevertheless, Lucy and Fred heading off to Palm Springs leaving Ricky and Ethel in Hollywood would've been fascinating. Everything could start out fine, but soon Fred's jingling drives Lucy nuts, and then Ricky starts calling Ethel out for her chewing. Then their imaginations start running amuck, with everyone convinced that cheating is going on. Trouble is, they cross paths, and soon Ethel and Ricky are in Palm Springs with Lucy and Fred back in Hollywood. Could've been quite a farcical episode if done right. I know Ethel's in a bad mood for most of "Ricky Sells the Car," but she did show a bit of jealousy over Lucy rubbing Fred's shoulders. "Since when did you and him become so chummy!?" There were certainly enough episodes where Lucy thought Ricky was being unfaithful...Ethel suspecting fat Freddie of wandering could've made for a hilarious change of pace.
  9. 2 points
    Lucy Is A Sax Symbol When Lucy pulls the saxophone out of the trunk the audience clap is nice. They knew it was her trademark instrument. With the saxophone appearing in this episode, Lucy has now played one on each of her 4 series. Lucy and Becky have a very lovely scene at the end and I don’t think it’s too sappy. Jenny was a good young actress and I think if another less talented kid was to do this scene it would be too sweet. A meta reference I liked was Becky saying she rather play electric guitar. Jenny actually does play guitar now. Whoever wrote this episode has never played a saxophone. When Lucy has Becky push her lips together, that’s how you would play a brass instrument. For example to play a trumpet you need to purse your lips to create a buzz noise. To play the saxophone you roll your lower lip over your teeth and the mouthpiece sits on them. You also don’t puff your cheeks out to play. When Lucy says her ring is stuck in the valve, I can see that working as a stuck point, but where it would be stuck is not a valve. It’s the cutout for the key. If she slid her hand in the bell and the large part of the ring wrapped itself over the lip of the brass then it could feasible get stuck. I played the sax for 9 years in school and when Lucy starts pushing on the keys and you hear the pads touch the brass, that brought back so many memories of my years playing. I also noticed the transition music had a heavier sax element to it than other episodes. Three pop culture notes. That pink cassette player of Becky’s was really popular in the 80s. I can’t remember if I had one or a friend did but I remember using it. It also had a strap on so you could carry it with you. Lucy holding up the poodle skirt saying that will never come back in style. The 80s was very big on 50s nostalgia so thought that was odd. Also, those swing skirts are super popular in the vintage community now, although I don’t see any with poodles on. Cats, haunted houses, bikes, even found one with backgammon pieces. I forget who was watching the Three Stooges marathon but I wonder if they noticed a tall blonde lady that looked kind of like grandma.
  10. 2 points
    I love these photos! This was a August 1971 event at the Hollywood Bowl for Nosotros, a group Ricardo Montalban founded to increase acting opportunities for Hispanic performers.
  11. 2 points
    Home from Jamestown and watching something I recorded off TCM while away, the documentary Ava Gardner: The Gypsy of Hollywood, and Lucy and Gary just popped up in colour footage arriving at a Hollywood premiere. The doc tries to pass it off as the preme of There’s No Business like Showbusiness, but that’s obviously impossible.
  12. 2 points
    "World's Greatest Godmother" With increasing competition from big-box, national chains, Lucy gets gangster to protect M & B Hardware. Things heat up when Curtis sees that Lucy used the computer to "modem in" an order for several suspicious items.
  13. 2 points
    Maybe they'll follow this up with the "Ethel Mertz Collection." Re-creations of Mrs. Mertz's dresses - all three of 'em!
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  15. 2 points
    If you have amazon prime, a handful of early Carol Burnett shows are available for no extra fee including Lucy’s first appearance in 1967. The episode appears to be complete. The episode includes the “Argentine Cafe” and car rental sketches.
  16. 2 points
    Miss Barbara Eden will be on Kelly & Ryan tomorrow morning, March 6. Check your local listings.
  17. 1 point
  18. 1 point
    Happy Birthday, Betty! I hope at some stage she's up to recording a second archive interview - her first one was back in the 90s, and as we all know, she's done a LOT more television since then.
  19. 1 point
    The I Love Lucy Christmas Special returns to CBS on Friday, December 20, at 8 p.m.! Awaiting word on which episode will be featured after the Christmas episode, but it is NOT a repeat of Pioneer Women, as mentioned by some CBS affiliates. Possibly "The Freezer", after the sneak peek we got in the Colorization Documentary?
  20. 1 point
    I've heard Joyce Van Patten's episode of the Gottfried show and it's great (just like every other episode), and I believe I've shared her comments here before. From what I remember, Joyce said that she and Lucy got along, but that Lucy seemed to want a closer friendship than Joyce was up for, which in turn made Lucy a little cold. I believe she also described Gary as "a very good valet", or something like that, which I find hilarious.
  21. 1 point
    BEWARE of anything written by Darwin Porter. He makes Boze Hadleigh look like Edward R Morrow----which is like saving Doris Ziffel makes Mother Burnside look like Mamie Van Doren.
  22. 1 point
    I recently recalled a childhood Lucy moment: my dad and I watching a commercial for a videotape release of the lost pilot. As memory serves (and I could well be wrong), it wasn't the "Very First Show" version with the still of Lucy and Ricky, but instead featured the "Lucy Tells the Truth" knife-board photo on the cover. It looked like this particular release wasn't released in stores but was only available via mail order. At the time, being so young, I had no idea what a television pilot was, and just assumed it was an episode about an airplane pilot. I think dad used that commercial as an opportunity to explain the concept.
  23. 1 point
    You never forget Michael J. Pollard after he makes an appearance somewhere. Somebody in “the biz” (can’t remember who) said that he once saw him on the street and told him what a fan he was. All that Pollard did was growl at him. “Unique” is an understatement! It’s very cool that until recently, Bonnie and Clyde, a movie more than a half-century old, still had all of its cast members alive and kicking (with Faye doing most of the kicking!), and all of them were Oscar nominated!
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  25. 1 point
    #1. You could be right, but I have trouble picturing it. Did Angela ever do glamor in the movies? But even Angela could not have overcome THAT script with THAT direction. I don't know that anyone could have. One reviewer, while fairly positive about the movie, noted that "this Mame comes to the screen with considerable stuffing knocked out it" and "your enjoyment depends heavily on your memories of the original". When you do a musical of a play, you've got to eliminate roughly 45 minutes of plot to make room for the songs. Broadway: getting rid of the O'Banyon character also eliminates the absurd, hilarious comedy of him dating and MARRYING Agnes Gooch (falling for Mame's story that she is a wealthy heiress), but they had to ditch SOMETHING. The movie goes too far. Eliminating the plot thread of Mame's autobiography--a huge mistake. Because after Beau dies, there's a big hole where nothing much happens until we get to the Upsons. Yes, I suppose they had to follow the basic story line. But was there really any need to kill Beau off to make the rest of the plot work? The movie also eliminates the Babcock-Upson connection which was an even bigger mistake. But I've got the PERFECT solution! (later) #2. Though Mame depicts the years 1928-1948, it has a much more contemporary feel than Dolly. Other than the stock market crash, there are no historic references I can think of that make it a period piece. Both movies look like they were set in the year of their release. The colossal failure of the 1983 revival is baffling. And OF COURSE, there was some who blamed Lucy for tarnishing the reputation of the property.
  26. 1 point
    So, last night in a bout of insomnia I decided to do something productive and got up and re-read Lucy In The Afternoon for the first time since I was probably... maybe 10- or 11-years-old. Having first read it so young, it didn't really register how self-indulgent this book really is and how jarringly out-of-character some of the quotes attributed to LB -- although probably rooted in a kernel or two of fact -- really are. Now, I'm curious to re-read Lee Tannen's book as a comparison.
  27. 1 point
    Yes, I’ve always thought if the series had continued, the kids parts should have been diminished. Not to the extent of the California Lucy Show years, but look at season three of The Lucy Show compared to season one.
  28. 1 point
    This was a very well written insight into The Late Show. There is not a wasted shot or line in TLS. (And I apologize for going off topic) Art's Oscar worthy scene (among so many) is one where he has collapsed from a perforated ulcer attack in public. Margo/Lily urges him to go to the hospital and Ira/Art screams "Do you know what it's like sitting in the veteran's hospital for 6 months with tubes and shit running every which-way? I'll never let those butchers open me up again. NEVER!", the usually stoic Ira is on the verge of tears. That's REAL acting. Had the movie made more of a splash at the BO, it would have garnered acting nomination (if not wins) in every category: Art, Lily, Joanna Cassidy as the moral-less moll (the Double Indemnity Barbara Stanwyck of the 70s) AND Bill Macy as Charlie Hatter of "Charles S Hatter Productions" "Charles S Hatter Talent Agency" "Charles Hatter Theatricals" "CS Hatter Entertainment Corp. of America" and (of course) "Charles Hatter, Real Estate" all located UPSTAIRS at 203 1/2 Hollywood Blvd. (That 1/2 is a great touch ) However he's been tending bar "just temporarily" , as he tells Ira because "the talent business is a little slow".
  29. 1 point
    I've read articles and interviews over the years from Jr. but nothing this revealing and nothing this revealing about this parents and the divorce. We knew Desi had a temper but what he describes is really bad. Obviously a lot of that was do to alcohol. Two things that are troublesome to me is first, that the kids basically had no outlet to express their feelings. I know Lucy talks in her book about sensing the kids were upset and has said they heard and saw too much but I took that as, well that commonly happens in divorce. But to be scared to seek help in your sibling because your afraid that if you express sadness it's questioned. I wonder how much this went on after the divorce and the remarriage. Was the Parent Trap the only outlet they thought they had? Did they talk to any other family members? Second is that I sort of always thought of Lucy as the more violent one when her temper got going. She admitted to the car window smashing as a reaction to a fight in the early part of their marriage and in that 1950 radio interview she is questioned about her temper and admitted to throwing things. But Jr. says that she wasn't violent it was his dad that was. And that things got physical. To me that could be 2 things. Either physical in that a lot of things were thrown, broke, etc... In the divorce proceedings the busted pipe incident was mentioned to demonstrate the temper and that was a full out violent physical reaction from Desi. Or that he actually got physical in the hitting, slapping, shoving, etc.. domestic violence sense. I never thought there was any of that going on. But who knows what someone is capable of with alcohol. There are reports of Desi drunk getting physical with other men but never women. Wasn't there a story in his book back in 39 where his dance partner in the show had a physically abusive husband and Desi stepped in? But knowing what is wrong and being under the heavy influence of alcohol is another thing. It's an odd sort of thing to say "physical" an then not explain it, because the mind goes there. Maybe Jr. kept it vague on purpose.
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    And as you've said, LWL only pales in comparison to her previous TV efforts. Compared to some other 1986 shows, it's not that bad. Unfortunately, most reviewers will probably only compare it to her other shows and not take it on its own merits, as comparisons are so frequent these days. I hope the reporting critics don't try to politicize it.
  32. 1 point
    Thank you! I hadn’t seen that post. Appreciate
  33. 1 point
    It looks like that the Hallmark Channel has once again removed I Love Lucy from its schedule. Only this time in favor of The Middle! It started this past Monday (August 3rd). And right before Lucy's birthday? What is up with that? This reminds me of the time when Nick-at-Nite removed I Love Lucy from their block party summer line-up back in 2001 right before or on her birthday. The show they put in Lucy's place was Gilligan's Island! I wouldn't be too surprised if this is just apart of the phasing out process. I have noticed with each passing year that they have either reduced Lucy or removed her entirely for a couple of months at a time (mostly due to their stupid sappy Christmas movies). The one show that hasn't been effected with this new schedule is The Golden Girls and that show has been on Hallmark Channel more or less the same number of years as I Love Lucy. And they now playing TGG SIX HOURS A DAY (8-11AM, 11-2AM)!!!
  34. 1 point
    I take this as a good sign. Amazon is showing "Temporarily Out Of Stock" for the DVD.
  35. 1 point
    Seeing I Love Lucy in a theater was such a special experience. I didn't want it to end. Hopefully this is something they will do again in the future, especially for those who missed it.
  36. 1 point
    You should see the reaction on social media. All these fans are completely losing their shit over this. This is when you need the DVDs. Just always have loaded in the player 1ready to go. With the ever changing world of streaming, who knows where and for how long you'll be able to stream it on the service you currently pay for. Also not all episodes are on streaming. Maybe physical media will start to come back in popularity with all the streaming shifting.
  37. 1 point
    Hallmark Channel has been changing gears with its programming. Those sappy Christmas movies have proved to be so popular with their viewers that they have been producing more of them each year and dedicating more airtime to them throughout the year. Those movies also inspired the network to focus on original programming with their target demographic being women. The older sitcom fare has worked for them in the past and are consistent with maintaining the same level of viewership but it's those movies and original series that are bringing in the viewership that the network is seeking for. I read somewhere not too long ago that their viewership has actually increased year-to-year since the shift towards movies and original programming. And that their network is now in the top five of the most-watched cable channels. So obviously (and unfortunately), their new strategy is working better than the former. Yeah, The Golden Girls, has always been the most popular of their syndicated fare ever since it joined their line-up. It has outdid shows with longer runs like Cheers, Frasier, M*A*S*H, Who's the Boss, Happy Days, Home Improvement, etc. in regards to attracting viewers. I don't see TGG leaving the network anytime soon. It's too popular amongst their target demographic. Would you believe that the Hallmark Channel had three different rotations of I Love Lucy at one point in time? If I remember correctly, one rotation aired during the weekday mornings, second one in the weekday late-night (2:30am), and third one on the weekends with encores in the late night. It was really interesting to see how they were airing I Love Lucy during that time period.
  38. 1 point
    That'd make a great legitimate supplement.
  39. 1 point
    A "Miss" No More: Congratulations to the legendary Olivia de Havilland who today, just a couple of weeks shy of 101, has been finally named a Dame by the Queen! She is the oldest woman to ever be named a Dame and, in my opinion, one of the most overdue. "Dame Olivia de Havilland" has a nice ring to it. Even dead, Joan will have to console herself with a single, solitary Oscar.
  40. 1 point
    I watched the four broken leg story arc episodes, which are all great episodes of the series. I never noticed before that in Harrison Carter, Male Nurse, on her dresser, Lucy has a framed picture of her and the kids dressed as “Ma Parker,” “Herman,” and “Mildred!”
  41. 1 point
    In the book on the Golden Girls a few years back it talks about her turning down the role of Rose’s blind sister. The reason stated in the book was essentially the same as she stated in this oral history. This came after Stone Pillow and she felt that her fans wanted her back as funny Lucy and that too much of a departure from that was a bit much after she just gave them a dramatic character. Another reason given was scheduling conflicts due to dental work.
  42. 1 point
    A couple of months ago I made a donation to the Animal Foundation, and knowing that Doris read all of her fan mail meant I had to include a letter. Her response is one of my most prized possessions, and I highly recommend honoring her life by making a contribution.
  43. 1 point
    Re: Dean Martin Show- Of course! They did an America-themed medley or something; I’ve seen that on YouTube. At first I was surprised that there didn’t seem to be much backlash around this Kate Smith thing, but when you think about it, how many people today actually know who she was? If anything, they know her from her association with the Flyers, which is pretty much dissolved at this point. It’s a shame that the small foothold her legacy had is being eradicated. Easiest case in point: The most famous blackface performer ever, Al Jolson, was a staunch supporter of African American rights during his whole career. It was a different time, folks. And forget Lucy’s nonsense communist connections- if the wrong people get ahold of “Rain Goddess” or the Japanese gardener in “Soap Opera”, she could be donezo.
  44. 1 point
    I thought I saw a wombat crawling through the woods the other night, but I suppose it could've been...something else
  45. 1 point
    Seeing the country house would be nice. "I Love Lucy: Chicken Capers Special"
  46. 1 point
    I think Rhonda Medina should perform "Shortnin' Bread" and "My Hero" as part of a Vivian tribute show.
  47. 1 point
    Just watching a rerun of the UK tv show 2.4 children, series 3 episode 5. There was a quote: 'I don't know why I don't just dye my hair red, change my name yo Lucy and be done with it' lol
  48. 1 point
    Interesting to hear different opinions like this. I can't call it a favorite, but I've always liked Nursery School. I've always found the ending very touching. I liked how Lucy was portrayed as inept at many things, but being a mother was never one of them. That was the one area where it was acceptable for Ricky to be less proficient than Lucy. I enjoy Ragtime Band, too, primarily for the scene where they each talk to Ricky in turn, portraying themselves as good and the others as bad. That always cracks me up. One of the the most overlooked (and rightly so) episodes is The Adagio. It's so forgettable I can't even recall the plot.
  49. 1 point
    The absolute funniest part of Rodeo is when Lucy sings Home On the Range (yodel yodel yodel!) in that very nasal voice. Yes I am not a fan of Ragtime Band either. Nursery School is kind of neutral for me.
  50. 1 point
    The thing about this list -- and with any "best of" or whatever kind of list like this is it's totally subjective, personal preference, etc. etc. -- but I don't agree that *most* of the episodes listed here are indeed "lesser"; as a matter of fact most of them are personal favorites of mine, for one reason or another, but primarily because most of them rely solely on the talents of the four main characters and reflect just how good they were without any outside "assistance" (e.g. Hollywood "big name" guest stars) and /or the frequent big physical pay-off scene at the end; these bests for me are more character-driven and rely mostly on the foibles and personalities of the Fab Four! I would however quibble and say that "Club Dance" and "French Revue" are for me, what I think of as the "middling middle" episodes; in other words, they're --again, for me personally -- just "so so" (for ILL anyway) -- 3rd season (mostly) episodes that are of course, funny just not "superior" (for lack of a better word) funny like most of the others on this list. IMHO.
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