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  1. I say a variation of what I always say: to each his own.  I don't totally agree as I think EACH season -- all 6 -- of TLS have their "gems", standout episodes, I have personal faves in each and every one -- although for me personally it's probably most difficult to choose very many out of what I feel was a comparatively "weak" Season 2 after the stellar, classic, nearly every episode almost ILL-level 30 episode season, with very few "clinkers" in the bunch! 

     

    What would you cite as standouts from Season 6? :D

     

    Totally in agreement with you about Season Two. 

     

    From Season Six, I really enjoy:

     

    "Lucy Meets The Berles"

    "Lucy Gets Trapped"

    "Lucy And The French Movie Star"

    "Lucy Gets Her Diploma"

    "Lucy Gets Jack Benny's Account"

    "Lucy Gets Mooney Fired"

    "Lucy's Mystery Guest"

    "Lucy And Carol Burnett (1)" [a very silly and illogical episode, but jam-packed with laughs]

    "Lucy And The Stolen Stole""

    "Lucy And The 'Boss Of The Year' Award" 

     

    I also like many moments from:

     

    "Little Old Lucy"

    "Lucy And The Pool Hustler"

    "Lucy Gets Involved"

    "Lucy And Phil Harris" [the opening scene is great]

    "Lucy And The Lost Star" 


  2. I think Vivian and Bill look the most natural. Definite improvement over previous attempts, and I'm certainly not opposed to the colorization of the series in an attempt to garner new fans. I have no clue about what the coloring process is like, but I don't think it's good enough yet -- particularly for Lucy and Desi. (Of course, I didn't think the BEWITCHED colorization job was as stellar as everyone said it was, either, and that got released.) Anyway, I appreciate the effort and will definitely be watching on December 20th.


  3. Continuing my THE LUCY SHOW marathon. On the last disc of Season Five...

     

     

    Some episodes that I think are "underrated gems" from Seasons Four and Five:

     

    "Lucy And Art Linkletter" 

    "Lucy And The Soap Opera" (Save the painfully uncomfortable sequence, I think there are ample laughs in this one)

    "Lucy, The Gun Moll" 

    "Lucy's Substitute Secretary" 


  4. Sorry, i'm tempted to just say BULLSHIT here but I've always liked you so i'll instead say that being Lucille Ball's biggest fan, for over half a century, I think the Lucy show episodes when she shone A L O N E were the best of the series, it was called the Lucy show and I only tuned in to see LUCY, so sue me.  She did not need supporting players and nobody ever was truly, in the sense that they were on I Love Lucy, that I will grant you.  The writers were to blame for never surrounding her with an ensemble of equals, but they knew as long as they had HER, they did not need anyone else to get great comedy.

     

    I know you've always had a clear preference for the post-Viv years of THE LUCY SHOW, and that's great. It's not THE LUCY AND VIV SHOW. It's THE LUCY SHOW. But I will always prefer the earlier seasons, in which I felt the scripts were stronger. Though different strokes for different folks. My point here isn't about the various formats of THE LUCY SHOW. It's about the necessity of the ensemble in I LOVE LUCY. I truly believe that they're integral to the series' success.

     

    I'm a bit confused about your point-of-view, however. Do you think Lucy ever produced work that was consistently of the same caliber as I LOVE LUCY? And if you don't, to what do you attribute I LOVE LUCY's unique success? For me, it's the writing. But part of that is also the format that allowed for richer characters -- the ensemble included. 

     

    To clarify my feelings about Lucy's importance to the show. Lucy + writing = brilliance in "Lucy Does A TV Commercial." Nothing else. BUT generally Lucy + Writing + Ensemble = brilliance in I LOVE LUCY. For me, an episode where Lucy AND the ensemble get chances to shine is usually going to take precedence over an episode in which only Lucy gets to shine. But there are exceptions to every rule, and everyone's mileage varies. I know you probably feel that any episode that Lucy gets to shine is paramount, regardless of anyone else. And I see the point -- it's Lucy. She should always shine, and I always WANT Lucy to shine. But part of what I think made I LOVE LUCY special is that others shone too. So, as far as I'm concerned, "Lucy Does A TV Commercial" is not the best representation of the series. But it's a nitpick. A funny episode is a funny episode. 

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  5. Like Desi once said, Lucy WAS THE SHOW, so she didn't need anybody's help in that particular episode.  I think what your point is might actually be better on The Lucy show as it was just the two of them on that one. 

     

    She didn't need anyone else in that particular bit. She definitely needed support in the series as a collective entity. In fact, one of the reasons I think I LOVE LUCY is a cut above all of her later works is that every single player got chances to shine. They were developed, fleshed out, and given moments of their own. Yet, there was never a doubt who was the star. It wasn't an ensemble show like MARY TYLER MOORE or GOLDEN GIRLS, but there was such strength in the regular cast. Lucy was never alone. 

     

    This is nothing like THE LUCY SHOW, particularly in the last five seasons. I'm currently re-watching that series in order (I'm in the middle of Season Five right now), and even when she has the greatest guest stars in the world, the lack of a solid team is glaring. Yes there's Gale and Mary Jane -- but they're shadows when compared to the nuanced characters like Ricky, Ethel, and Fred. 

     

    We all here love Lucille, and she's undoubtedly the most important ingredient to I LOVE LUCY, but she's not the only ingredient. I adore "Lucy Does A TV Commercial," but the missing Ethel makes it imperfect from a structural standpoint. The relationship they share is integral to the series and any episode that doesn't feature that is going to be lacking in an essential ingredient. Does it stop it from being funny? No. Does it stop the "Vitameatavegamin" bit from being brilliant? No. The same principle is applicable to "The Chinese Restaurant" episode of SEINFELD. It's brilliantly funny, but doesn't feature Kramer. 

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  6. And what would Viv do?  Hold the bottle for her?

     

    No, but a major part of the series is the friendship between Lucy and Ethel. The fact that Vivian isn't in this episode means that I'd never show it to new fans hoping for a taste of the show, since it isn't indicative of the series as a collective whole. In these regards, "Job Switching" would be a MUCH better choice, as it is a better representation of the series and its storytelling.

     

    But the infamous sequence in "Lucy Does A TV Commercial" is brilliant, and I actually do prefer it to the infamous scene in "Job Switching," though the latter episode has a better script and a stronger set-up. 

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  7. Here's a list of, in my opinion, stellar episodes that never seem to make it into the top. 

     

    "Ricky Asks For A Raise"

    "Lucy Is Matchmaker"

    "Lucy Wants New Furniture"

    "Redecorating The Mertzes' Apartment"

    "The Diner"

    "Getting Ready" & "Lucy Learns To Drive" 

    "Ricky Needs An Agent" 

    "Ricky Sells The Car"

    "Staten Island Ferry"

    "Lucy Wants To Move To The Country"

    "Lucy's Night In Town"

     

    I've been re-watching THE LUCY SHOW. Just starting Season Four. These are some (I think) underrated installments from the first three years... 

     

    "Lucy's Sister Pays A Visit"

    "Lucy And The Safe Cracker"

    "Lucy's College Reunion"

    "The Loophole In The Lease"

    "Lucy Conducts The Symphony"

    "Lucy Gets Amnesia"

    "Lucy Makes A Pinch"

    "My Fair Lucy"


  8. About to start watching Season Four for the first time since getting the DVD. That was my first time seeing any of these episodes, and I remember "Lucy and the Golden Greek" being one of my favorites from the season. Loved the introduction of Mary Jane, and it reminded me of Season One as the plot involved Lucy dating. If I recall, this isn't a universally loved installment. What does everyone think of this episode? 


  9. I like "Job Switching," but I think the funniest scene is between Ricky and Fred in the kitchen. The whole show is superbly well-written. But that scene is my favorite. Never been enthusiastic about "Bon Voyage" -- not enough interaction between Lucy and the others. And the only pregnancy shows I'm crazy about are "Lucy Hires An English Tutor" and "Lucy's Showbiz Swan Song." 

     

    I agree about "Lucy Meets the Burtons." (Is there any other episode from HERE'S LUCY that's "famous"?) Well, since this seems to be a well-liked one around here -- I don't think "Lucy Is N.G. As An R.N." is anything more than adequate. 

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  10. The Lucy Book has "Lucy And The Pool Hustler" airing as 6x13 on 12/04/67. TvGuide agrees. (The Carol Burnett two-parter follows on 12/11 and 12/18.) Most websites have this date. 

     

    The DVDs say "Lucy And The Pool Hustler" aired on 01/08/68. IMDb agrees. (The Carol Burnett two-parter appears on 12/04 and 12/11.) 

     

     

    Which is correct? When did these shows actually air? I'm assuming that CBS's DVDs are correct. 


  11. I also think, despite the high quality of the writing and the production, the fact that the series never left the public eye has contributed to the general feeling of timelessness -- it's still funny for every generation. If the series was like other '50s sitcoms and went relatively unseen after its initial airing, it wouldn't be perceived as timeless -- even if was released on DVD and fostered a following of new fans. It's been on TV for 62 years... discoverable for new audiences at any time. Hence, the show is timeless.  

     

    That being said, it was the smartest and funniest sitcom of the decade. (And, I believe, of all time.) So, even if it wasn't as syndicated as it was, I'm sure we'd still all be here discussing how brilliant and funny it was.  


  12. Ok, should have worded that better then . . . the show started off very slowly, I hate the first years, but then just kept getting better and funnier as we knew every character's traits so well up to the end, that they got easy laughs from our guessing what would happen next.  Then, unlike most shows that got tired and lazy at the end, they were just as funny till the very last show.  I end up playing the move to the condo in the last season more than any other.  As for the married brother, he was as horrible a character at the end as he was single, I just hated him and wished he had eloped with Raymond's wife and take those three awful kids with them.  There was enough great comedy with just Raymond and his mom, LOL!  And the dad, the in laws, the friends  etc . . .

     

    Ah, okay. I do agree with you about the show remaining funny (unlike, say, ALL IN THE FAMILY). Incidentally, I normally hate series finales, but I thought RAYMOND's was excellent. 


  13. Everybody Loves Raymond is a perfect example of how CHARACTER driven laughs are the easiest to get.  The series started off very slowly for years and then we knew those characters so well on Raymond that the laughs came by so easily in the middle years and then unlike MOST shows, they did their very best shows at the end of the series.

     

    Agreed about RAYMOND being a superb example of excellent character comedy. But I'm surprised you think the best episodes came from the end of the run. I think Seasons Four through Seven were the strongest. Everything seemed much more labored in the last two married-Robert seasons. 


  14. I LOVE LUCY:

    "The Freezer"

    "The Operetta"

    "Ethel's Birthday"

    "Ricky Needs An Agent"

    "The Great Train Robbery"

    "Return Home From Europe"

    "Lucy Wants To Move To The Country"

     

    THE LUCY SHOW:

    "Lucy Puts Up A TV Antenna"

    "Lucy Buys A Boat"

    "Lucy And The Safe Cracker"

    "The Loophole In The Lease"

    "Lucy Conducts The Symphony"

    "Lucy Gets A Roommate"

    "Lucy And The French Movie Star"

     

    HERE'S LUCY:

    "Lucy, The Matchmaker"

    "Lucy, The Fixer"

    "A Date For Lucy"

    "Lucy Meets The Burtons"

    "Lucy And The Group Encounter"

    "Lucy And Joan Rivers Do Jury Duty"

    "Where Is My Wandering Mother Tonight?"

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