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  1. Unpopular Opinions - Lucy style

    What Here's Lucys and I Love Lucys has Max seen? I've mentioned this before but when the DVD release of the 24 best Here's Lucy was announced, they didn't say what episodes. I had trouble coming up with 24 that I considered worthy of any 'best' disc. Whereas I Love Lucy's 180 episodes can be divided into thirds: 1/3 true classics we never get tired of, 1/3 that are still pretty good but shop short of classic status and 1/3 that are so-so. Other than the episodes mentioned on this board, there aren't many episodes that are truly BAD, just disappointing when compared with the rest of the series. Max is not the first person I've heard this from but this opinion is certainly in the minority.
  2. Jim Nabors dies at 87

    Jim was the most unlikeliest of stars. He's so remembered for Andy Griffith that I was surprised (according to imdb) that he was on only 23 of the 64 season 3&4 episodes before "Gomer Pyle USMC" was launched in 1964, concurrent to, and out-ranking The Andy Griffith Show's 5th (and IMO BEST) season, the last with Don Knotts. "Gomer" was a surprise hit in a less-than-stellar time slot: Friday at 9:30. A ratings-disaster lead-in "The Entertainers" and up against "Jack Benny" when he returned to NBC for one season. "Gomer" ran for 5 seasons and only ceased because Jim wanted to do something else, a variety show. Little known fact: if you tally season-by-season Nielson rankings and divide by number of seasons the show ran, "Gomer" was the MOST SUCCESSFUL SITCOM OF THE 60'S!!! Here are the tallies by my math: "Gomer Pyle USMC"'s 5 year average ranking : #4 In fact, Gomer would have been much higher had CBS not moved it to Wednesday for its 3rd season where it "dipped" to #10. The next year they moved it back to Friday and the ratings rebounded. Amazingly "Gomer" ended its 5 year run at #2 behind "Laugh-In". If we exclude the Wednesday season from the equation, for the 4 remaining seasons "Gomer"'s average ranking was #2.5. (2nd only to ILL's #1.5 average). It must have Jim's personal appeal and likeability because, truth be told, they were running out of Pyle v. Carter plots, especially when it aired in its later seasons concurrent to the height of the Vietnam war. His subsequent variety series "The Jim Nabor Hour" debuting right after "GP" started out strong at #12 for 69-70, but the next season 70-71 with strong competition from the first season of "The Flip Wilson Show" it dipped to a still respectable #29 (sound familiar?) and was axed as part of the CBS rural purge when the networks were forced BY THE GOVERNMENT to give up a half hour of their prime time schedule. Season average ranking after Gomer, "The Lucy Show" and "The Andy Griffith Show" tie at #4.5.. TLS, TAGS and GP were the only 60s sitcoms that place in the top ten for every season "Beverly Hillbillies" (ratings through 69-70 only) #8 . Though it spent two years at #1, it was out of the top ten for 3 of its 60s seasons. Though "Gomer" had a healthy 2 1/2 year run as part of CBS's M-F daytime sitcom rerun schedule, it never joined the ranks of 'classics" in the same way "Andy Griffith" did. (Then again, neither did TLS). Checking imdb: I did not know that Jim had a talk show in 1978. Worth noting is that when Carol came back with her "Life with Lucy" return to TV variety in 1991, Jim, no long a draw on TV, was NOT her first guest as he had been on all 11 "CBShow" seasons, but rather was introduced from the audience.
  3. From the May 4, 1974 issue of TV Guide, "Here's Lucy" was well into its rerun cycle and the offering that week was not from the previous, last season #6. It was once again "Lucy Meets the Burtons" which made me wonder. HOW MANY times was "Meets Burtons" shown in prime time? I'm thinking at least FIVE (so LBP certainly made up for all the money spent on the episode). I think it had 3 runs in the 70-71 season when it first aired. For its last 3 seasons, HL's 24 episodes were all (give or take) shown twice. In 1972 for the first time, HL aired all reruns from the previous season. For the summers between 1963 to 1971, TLS and HL were replaced by other series in the summer. TLS: "Vacation Playhouse" (unsold pilots) and in 1965 Desilu's "Glynis", but from 1969 to 1971, HL was replaced by selected reruns of The Lucy Show, usually the same guest-star heavy batch. Ditto the summer after the last season of TLS. It's interesting to see which episodes they selected for the limited rerun sked and which never saw the light of day until CBS reran them in the morning. My recollection is that the only TLS episode pre-California ever rerun in this 'classics' run was "Ceramic Cat", run in 1968 once.

    Just saw this:............. NOOOOOO!!!! The last of my 50s faves still with us. At least she got one last role: a guest shot on the overlooked, underrated HBO series "Getting On" Topper has the shortest run of any HIT TV series, a witty sophisticated show that really needs a DVD release. A lot of the appeal was the wonderful cast. Anne was a standout. I saw it in reruns well over a decade later, the 78 episodes still being hot in syndication. Of course, Anne married the ex-Mr. Ann Sothern....AND I discovered her birth name was...................CARMICHAEL!! She was part of the West Hollywood "Ladies who Lunch" group along with our own Carole Cook. No men allowed although I considered sneaking as a carpet cleaner, an interior decorator or Barbara Morrison ("I might like to join your group, but I'd like a LITTLE more time to think it ov-ah")
  5. A poll of HL viewers several years ago (to commemorate the first Here's Lucy 24 episode "best of" DVD release ) "NG as RN" was voted the best episode of the series and I agree. It shouldn't have been--in that there should have been many more episodes like this charming and funny half-hour. "Did anyone else have the beef hash?" has to be the funniest line ever uttered in all 144 episodes! BTW, FEW of the top 24 episodes as voted for in the poll made it the "best of" DVD set. Whoever picked these episodes was using a different yardstick than quality.
  6. The January 1st 1968 "Lucy Show" clip show with Lucy and Viv holds a special place for me. Although I had seen these original episodes, I was too young to really remember them (and this was before the bulk of them had ever been rerun) It reminded me why I fell in love with Lucy and Lucy Carmichael, sticking by her side through "Mooney the Monkey" and most of the 6th season, none of which I'm wild about. I had hoped that that "idea gal" Hilda would have pillow-talked Milt into hiring writers who could write like THAT. I'm assuming there was some remuneration for the "based on an idea by" credit. Although I'm grateful for Hilda'a prodding, it's not much of an "idea".
  7. Well said and I agree. I don't supposed they'd consider running "Fashion Show" first and THEN the Christmas episode? Funny that when Bart Andrews wrote his wonderful book, no one he interviewed could remember anything about the Christmas episode. He wrote something like "it must not have been very good". ( I hope the late, great Bart knew what he meant to my generation). I know they have to cut things here and there but if they cut Don Loper's look-to-the-heavens introduction of Mrs. Richard Carlson, I'll die. I'll REALLY DIE. I suppose the fashion show segment slows the show down, but not for me. I love those 50s fashions and Don's enthusiastic narration. As if Don couldn't top himself, I love the way he stumbles over the words telling Amzie to do the alterations and emphasizes "by NOOON". Was the Christmas show indeed the first series episode to incorporate multiple flashbacks of previous episodes?
  8. Familiar to us, but not to the masses out there. Non-Hollywood suggestion "The Operetta". If we count Trump's "base" as part of the masses, maybe they should pick lines and scenes from the series and cobble together the episode "Ricky Gets Deported". The eggs-in-blouse scene is hilarious but the rest of the episode is not GREAT. In fact, while I enjoy all but one of two of the Connecticut shows, none are ILL at its very top. I love "the Tour" except the ending. It seemed like they ran a little short and had to fill the time with something. Favorite lines from "Tour" "....she wears nothing but black lace lingerie WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" and two from Ethel's phone call "Never mind what else is new" and "Stop saying 'Madame you've got the wrong number".
  9. Great!!!!! There are so many I'd like to see but Fashion Show tops my list too.
  10. Well this certainly would have made a different movie. Next thing we'll find out is that each day Helen had one of her vodka-gin-scotch cocktails mid-afternoon and when the kids came home from school, she pelted them with mashed potatoes. Seriously, it's naive to believe that 18 kids in one household in the volatile 60s headed by a military man experienced nothing worse than 'mayhem'. The author's last name is North. Does that mean he changed it back or that Frank adopting them all was made up for the movie? (I too would pick North over BEARDSLEY, BEARDSLEY, BEARDSLEY.) Interesting that Lucy's real-life counterpart is only 30. Nobody pointed out her real age when Lucy/Helen gave birth. Contrast that with the age reference in every review or article written about Mame just 6 years later. The CD-Sountrack booklet uses the word "aging" THREE times! In reference to today's music: I'm not up to speed but some of the stuff I hear. Miracatelacosa!! I cannot conceive that a future generation will have an envelope left to push.

    Suggested caption: "Aunties Mame Visit Peck(erwood)" By Lucy's look I would guess this either very late 60s or early 70s. I wonder if Lucy had been signed for Mame at the time.
  12. Lucy and Gary Photo Thread

    I've never seen a photo of the two of them where I think. She's 13 (or 15, depending on your source) years older than her husband.
  13. RE: the sets. I've been in more homes that look like Roseanne's (one of the most realistic homes on TV) than I have apartments that look like Will and Grace's. When a show is actually funny, I don't notice if the audience response is souped-up. And "Will and Grace" is and was (funny, that is). What I don't like is the audience response going beyond laughing and the occasional applause to include "ooooooo" when something sexy is happening or "ahhhh" when there's some pathos. I confess to never having seen most of the shows on the air now, including "Big Bang Theory". I've watched a little bit of it and I can tell I don't know the characters well enough to appreciate the humor so that unreal single-volumed audience response stands out. The only thing I haven't enjoyed about W&G is when Jack and Karen get too wild and do kinky things just for the audience response. And speaking of Jack: my experience may not be as wide as some, but I don't know any 'flamers' and I'm good friends with someone who used to do drag!. Throughout entertainment history, a flamer is always good for a laugh, even though that sort of portrayal panders to long-held stereotypes, yet they're undeniably funny. (The closest I am to knowing a flamer is that my neighbor is a 2nd or 3rd cousin to R G 'Valter' Brown, who makes Jack look like John Wayne.) If you want to see the difference between genuine audience response and the jacked-up canned response added by the producers, look at the "Maude" episodes included on the whole-series set. For some reason, there are two episodes that were never aired so they didn't get to the add-can-laughs stage of post-production. I'm Pro-Bea but only so-so about "Maude". It didn't seem like these episodes were any worse than the ones that aired. The audience titters when normally we hear bellowing. And say what you want about "Mothers In Law", Desi stuck to his guns on this one and the audience response is real. OK, there may have been some added to cover up something that went wrong or directing mistakes. When a joke falls flat on MIL, Desi just let it lay there. (at least that's my memory). Back to W&G: overall it's been extremely well-written and expertly executed. What astounds me about the revival is that all the participants seemed to have spent the last 10 years in Vivian Jones's vat of formaldehyde. W&G debuted in 1998. The equivalent would be: in 1970 , they had gotten Lucy, Desi, Vivian and Frawley, had he survived, back together for an I Love Lucy revival. The only one who stayed looking the same is Doris Singleton/Carolyn Appleby.