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yendor1152

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  1. I don't look silly at all. And why not just refer to him as Jim Sheridan instead of a fictional character? Not everyone's into "fandom" like you. The truth is, there's absolutely no proof that Lucy "inspired" Roz Russell's performance as Mame. That's revisionist history, to somehow make it "ok" that Lucy ruined the character. And she did, you know. Everyone knows it. You know it, too, I'm sure. Hawl out that holleeee!
  2. Really? A troll? Gee, why don't you check other forums and find out for yourself. If you can tear yourself away from Mame's stomping like a horse, that is.
  3. "Had a bit of an inspiration" from the Lucy character? And who the hell is Harry Carter--a character on Here's Lucy? Cripes, if you have to take fictional people's remarks to shore up your "facts," that's really quite sad. Mame was delivered DOA. It's amazing that you guys say the movie musical was dead in the 70s, when a mere four years later, Grease was released and became a smash. Maybe if Lucy had teamed up with Olivia Newton-John, she would've had a hit record!
  4. Argument? Who's arguing? Not me. I said my piece and stand by everything I've said. Nothing more needs to be added about Lucy's atrocious Mame. But I do enjoy having fun with you people. I can just see you now, dancing in a little parade around your apartments, lip-synching to Lucy's bull-in-heat honking on the soundtrack. Here, have a cig and a drink. Lucy would approve.
  5. Patwick! Patwick! Hawwwl out the holleee!
  6. No, I got the DVD of Mame. Wait, is there a difference?
  7. I haven't gone anywhere...I've been HAWWWLING out the hollee for you and your slavish Lucy-philes!
  8. Everything I've said is accurate, honey. You're the one spouting things from a "fan's" point of view, colored by your love for an icon who didn't know you even exist. Oh, well. Put on the Mame soundtrack and listen to Lucy singing, "open a new windoooowww!"
  9. No, it's HAWWWWWLLL out the hollee! Put up the bwightest stwing of lights I've evahhh seeen (cough, cough)!
  10. You don't know what you're talking about. It's a fact that CBS cancelled Lucy, as well as all the old-timey sitcoms and shows to make way for the newer stuff. Are you saying that in order to be a fan you have to like everything a star does? That's just ridiculous. With the inaccurate garbage you're spouting, it makes me wonder if you're a fan yourself. If you were, you'd know Here's Lucy was canned. Not by Lucy, either. Sheesh, some people.
  11. Of COURSE Lucy said it--she wanted to be Mame! So, of course she's going to say that the greatest Mame in history was "inspired" by her. I personally don't see any resemblance between the characters. In fact, Lucy could've used some of the Roz Russell pizzazz in her sorry rendition of Mamie. And you post, "you need to stop believing everything you read," right after posting, "I've heard it many times and Lucy said it herself in interviews." Sounds to me like you should take your own advice. Sure, I love Lucy. I just don't love her in Mame. I'm not so enamored that I can't recognize crap when I see it. Apparently, some of you guys have to actually step in it. By the way, the "director" you refer to was Jerry Herman, the composer of the score. He wouldn't let the property be touched again without his involvement because of the Lucille Ball debacle. Check it out--it's history, not just something Lucy said in an interview.
  12. Wow, Amazon. Where fans post five stars to crap. All of your comments seem to have been taken from Lucy herself--the Last Tango reference, the tearing down of a star at the height of her popularity, etc. Those have all been referenced in Lucy books again and again. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Lucy was on the downside of her popularity in 1974. Here's Lucy had been cancelled by CBS, and she was looked upon as "old timey" and out of synch with what's new and relevant. The sorry fact is, she was indeed just that. Why else would she have tried to turn back the clock with Life with Lucy, when TV shows like that had already gone the way of the dinosaur.
  13. A lot of it is Lucy's fault. Why do you think the writer of the musical was so furious about the way it came out? He put ALL the blame on Lucy and her diva-ish ways. There were even rumors at the time that she invested her own money in the project, with the stipulation that she have the starring role. As far as Cher, Julie Andrews and Bette Midler playing Mame, wherever did you get the idea we were talking about 1973? We're talking about NOW. I've never heard that Roz took inspiration from Lucy when she did Mame. There's nothing of the Lucy character in Mame at all.
  14. Wayne Newton was already a star before Lucy decided to showcase him. Jackie Gleason had the guy on his variety show many, many times. Lucy was just hopelessly out of touch with what was popular in the 60s and beyond. She liked the 40s and 50s, felt more comfortable there, and it came through in her material. Kids of 1965 didn't like Wayne Newton. He was hopelessly squaresville!
  15. Mame calls Patrick "Patwick" at least twice, right before she delivers the line about him being "babbity." Maybe you guys just don't realize what kind of character Mame Dennis is supposed to be. She IS bawdy (like Bette Midler), she's bigger than life (something Lucy definitely is NOT in this film), and she isn't the kind of woman "suitable" for raising a young son. That's clearly established in the Roz Russell version and glossed over in Lucy's. Lucy as Mame wasn't outrageous, she wasn't full of life, and she never gave me the impression of someone who boozes it up all night and is "hung" in the morning. And where's the love between Mame and Patrick? I never saw it, not like Rosalind Russell displayed it--she truly looked like she had real affection for Patrick. Not Lucy. Clearly, Lucy isn't in her element; she's stiff as a board and arrived embalmed. Just watch her duet with Vera in the restaurant. Her hair is laquered to a hardened helmet, a white hat stuck in all of it. She does a little shuffling here and there with Bea, and I could almost hear the choreographer counting, one, two three, and ONE, two three. Her big Mame number wasn't just about her smiling. When she danced, her face was frozen in a smile. I saw nothing of life, of energy, of anything. Critics remarked that her Mame didn't come to life until she skated on one skate out of the department store--a move more Lucy Carmichael than Mame Dennis. I have the song "Need a Little Christmas" sung by the original cast, and it's bubbling over with energy. When Lucy croaks, "HAWWL out the holly!" I want to put my fingers in my ears. And Jane Connell, or whatever her name is, might be able to carry a tune--but her singing voice is grating, high-pitched and wavery, not the kind of thing I want to hear. If Lucy was such a stickler for having the Broadway cast repeat itself on film, she should've conceded to Angela. But no. She wanted to go out with a bang, and it destroyed her movie career.
  16. Of course I know that Lucy Ricardo sang off key for comedic effect, but if that's the public's only perception of Lucille Ball's singing ability, then it would've been to her benefit to really sing beautifully in Mame--to show that all of it was a put on earlier. But guess what, she didn't. She sounded horrible, with those very audible intakes of breath (too much smoking), and off-key many times. Even in Wildcat, the singing was beyond her, but she hadn't yet ruined her voice with cartons of cigs, not completely, anyway. And if you think her performance as Mame Dennis has life and verve, I gotta wonder if you're not just dazzled by the fact that Lucy could still move. She barely does that, if you watch carefully. As for Hello, Dolly, what's that have to do with Mame? Nothing. And I doubt George Cukor could've helped Lucy, at that late stage. She was just miscast, period.
  17. Ok, I'm gonna open myself up for daggers here, but I've just never thought Lucy was a good choice for Mame. Aside from the very sad singing, she struck me as incredibly stiff and unnatural (or should I say, uncomfortable) in certain sequences--especially the opening song. There's a scene where she's being carted across the gargantuan living room by a dancer, and it's almost as if he's holding a mannequin. Lucy has a fake-looking smile plastered on her face, and for all intents, she looks inanimate. There doesn't seem to be any verve or life to her performance at all. The "Need a Little Christmas" number, which should've been full of joy, was almost scary--especially when Lucy puts on that horrible Santa Claus mask and begins leading an imaginery parade. And watch her take off the mask--it's done so carefully, as if she was afraid to snap a rubber band holding her wrinkles back. And whoever decided to hire Jane what's her name to play Gooch (yes, I know, she's in the Broadway show) in the film version oughtta have their head examined. She' was dull as dishwater and couldn't sing worth crap. She's not even the slightest bit funny. Peggy Cass was absolutely hilarious as Gooch in the Roz version. And speaking of the Russell Mame, Roz had that energetic, theatrical and rapid-fire delivery that was just about perfect for Mame. She was over the top. Maybe she was really just playing Rosalind Russell, who knows? But whatever the case, she established the Mame character for all others to follow. Angela Landsbury had that quality, too, plus she's an accomplished actress and much younger that Lucy when she did the musical Mame. She was able to establish her own take on Mame, since now songs had been added. When Lucy was signed for Mame, she had some very big shoes to fill. For one, she'd never been a singer--as we all know from I Love Lucy--so, there was that handicap. The public who knew Lucy back in the time of Mame could obviously remember that her lack of singing ability was actually a reason for laughter. But when Mame was released, her singing was "serious" and just plain awful, no way to work around it. Her excuses that Mame lived the high life and smoke and drank, which affected her voice, were pretty feeble, I think. As for her dancing, well, what can be said? Everything looks totally choreographed and robotic. There's absolutely no spontaniety to any of it. In the big Mame number, she starts prancing down the path like a horse, again with that horrible smile plastered on her face, and it almost become surreal. Like a Twilight Zone version of the Broadway play. And why can't she say the name, "Patrick?" She routinely calls him "Patwick." Many people have said Lucy would've made a better Mame ten years earlier, but I disagree. Her entire accepted persona was the anti-thesis of the Mame character. Where Mame was arch, cutting, sophisticated and worldly, Lucy was always somewhat naive, innocent, wide-eyed and childlike. Casting her was like putting a round peg in a square hole. It just didn't work. No wonder the critics reacted so negatively. The film needs to be remade with a singing actress who can belt out the tunes and bring the right amount of theatricality to the role. Someone here mentioned Cher. She'd be all wrong, from looks right down to singing style. Even her acting isn't theatrical enough. Only Bette Midler could do justice to the part, since her entire career has been based on being "The Divine Miss M," an over the top diva. That's exactly what Mame is all about!
  18. Haha! I don't blame you. Both shows were awful.
  19. Haha! No, Shirley's the one who kept saying "you fool" on What's Happening and What's Happening, Now! It was her trademarked saying, like JJ's "dynomite!" Except it didn't catch on, and then Shirley would just glare at whoever she was talking to. She was a scary lady!
  20. Cher would be horrible as Mame--with that deep voice and skewered punctuations! I can hear her now: "open a new windowwww-owwww! Opennn a new doahhhhhh!" Bette Midler would be perfect casting. She's got just the right theatrical verve and knows how to sing beautifully. She was great in the TV version of Gypsy!
  21. I totally agree about Irene Ryan. Talk about perfect casting as Granny! She created an iconic figure, and nobody will ever be able to play it before. As for Shirley, I've really only seen her in Come Back, Little Sheba, and she gave a shattering performance. Totally real and genuine, as you said. Hazel was one of the shows I grew up watching. I even remember when it went from black and white to color, and Hazel suddenly had a new family--but with the same kid (or am I imagining this?)! After Hazel, she did very little. Probably didn't have to. She did come back in a short-lived sitcome where she played an elderly lady named Grace. That was in early 73, I believe. And, of course, her distinctive voice was used to good effect in one of those Rankin/Bass Christmas shows.
  22. Abbott and Costello in Hollywood is on TCM this afternoon!
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