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  1. Sorry, but I'm definitely NOT ignorant and I'm not so starry-eyed about Lucy that I can't see the forest for the trees. What is it with this board that people get so nasty? Amazing. I watched that Barbara Walters special when it first aired and have seen snippets of it since, and Lucy wasn't merely repeating what Desi said. She talked about how Gary had provided her with a real home, that before, they had "houses," not homes. Then SHE called Desi a loser. She didn't say, "oh, Desi refers to himself as a loser, and I'm merely repeating his words." I don't know what interview YOU saw, but it was obvious to me that Lucy came across as very, very bitter. That was in 1979 or 1980, and by that time, everyone knew Desi had been a dog. He'd admitted it himself. But to hear Lucy say it, and with such acrimony in her voice, well, it was a bit unsettling. Yes, I know she gave him credit where credit was due. But she also rarely missed an opportunity--when the opportunity presented itself--to crap on him. Sorry it doesn't jive with your image of Lucy, but it's all part of history.
  2. Well, there's that famous interview with Barbara Walters where Lucy, I felt, was very unkind to Desi. I mean, at that point in her history, we got it already. He was a womanizer, he gambled, he was obsessed with work. Ok, fine. But he also was the power behind Lucy's superstar status, the father of her two children, and it would've been much more gracious of her to just leave the past in the past. Desi's imperfections didn't need to be mentioned again and again. I don't recall him ever saying one negative thing about her in public. I just wish she could've been more gracious. It reminded me of the situation with Cher and Sonny. When they broke up, Cher did interview after interview in which she criticized him for being "controlling, unyielding, too serious," etc. Yet, again, without him in her life, where would she have been? He created Cher, reinvented her when needed, and paved the way for the solo career she had. In the meantime, when she dumped him, he was made to look like a buffoon. And a mean one, at that. Again, like Desi, I never once read a negative from Sonny with regards to Cher. If anything, he was always very supportive. Yet, she continued to crap on him almost right up until his death. When that happened, she did a complete about-face and became all teary-eyed whenever Sonny's name was mentioned. She spoke at his funeral and cried. She went on the Oprah show and cried. She hosted a show of Sonny and Cher clips and cried. But when she had the chance to be gracious when he was STILL ALIVE, she chose not to. Same with Lucy.
  3. Wouldn't it have been great if somewhere along the line--and I doubt this could've been done with Life with Lucy, since he was ill--Desi had made an appearance in a Lucy show? They apparently got along, except for her infrequent dumping on him, and were business partners long after their divorce. Think of the ratings that episode would've garnered! Wonder why that never happened?
  4. Just watched the snippets from Lucy's Italian movie. The colorization has come a LONG way since it first hit the scene in the early 90s. I remember buying the colorized "It's a Wonderful Life" and hating it. All the colors looked pastel, and the teeth were gray and dingy. Now, apparently, they've tidied up the teeth thing, but the colors overall just don't pop. If you want an example, just put in Season Two of The Lucy Show. Seeing Lucy and Vivian in color was something of a shock. The colors just JUMPED out at you, and both of them were so glam, what with the blue eyeshadow, the bright hair, even the decor of Lucy's living room--with those snazzy couch pillows--just screamed color. I'm not getting that impression from the colorized episode. It looks "old," if that makes sense--washed out. Still, it's enough of a novelty to attract more buyers to the sets. God, how many video/dvd releases have there been of I Love Lucy? I bought the Lucy tapes in those big clunky boxes from Columbia House in the early 90s, then the individual DVD seasons, then the entire show, and now new releases, and eventually a Blu-ray, followed by colorized seasons. Will the madness ever stop?
  5. I wonder if the verbal humor would've worked--Lucy was never knowm for "verbal reparte," as Mame clearly showed. Her attempts at witticisms in that film fell flat and seemed so out of character. And let's face it, she really was playing Lucy playing "big movie stah." I didn't mind the slapstick in Life with Lucy. She could still pull it off. What bothered me was the relationship between Lucy and Gale, as established way back during the Mr. Mooney days. It starts with Lucy doing or saying something that sets him off. In The Lucy Show, he'd work himself up into a lather and exclaim, "MRS. CARMICHAEL!" In "The Lucy Show," it was "LUCILLE!" I don't recall if he even called her by name in Life with Lucy. Gale had only one reaction to Lucy--bombast and anger. It didn't work for me. In I Love Lucy, the premise was often an "us against them" scenario--the girls against the boys. Sometimes, the girls fought, which was always hilarious. But they had the buffer of the husbands. Ricky wasn't always angry at Lucy, and he wasn't always an authority figure--not like Gale's characters. In The Lucy Show, Lucy still had Vivian and her great writers. The first season is absolutely the best, right up there with the earlier I Love Lucy's, all because everything gelled beautifully. But when Mr. Mooney entered the picture, the dynamic changed. He was unbending, the "boss," and not a very likeable one, in my opinion. But at least we still had Vivian to help soften the edges. When she left and that wimpy Mary Jane (with the most annoying delivery EVER--reminds me of a female Squidward) became more prominent, all the weight fell on Lucy's shoulders. She could no longer be the little girl with big dreams. Instead, she was always yelling and flailing her arms about and running here and there, while the display of soup cans falls over in the store, or she "accidentally on purpose" pushes someone through a wall or ruins some priceless antique. Suddenly, Lucy became totally slapstick, without the human moments. And I read somewhere that Desi was very protective of the Lucy character and always wanted her shenanigans to originate from a realistic and believable premise. All that went out the window in the 4th season of The Lucy Show and became worse and worse as the other series progressed. I remember watching Here's Lucy during the fall of 1971. Desi, Jr. had left by then, allegedly to pursue a film career that went in the toilet eventually, and that left the very annoying Lucie, whining and screeching in a loud voice as her mother's surrogate Ethel. The episode I recall most vividly from that fall was the Ginger Rogers one, again a premise that had no basis in real life. And I also noticed how old Lucy looked. I think that was the first time I realized she was getting up there in age. I don't know about you guys, but I preferred my Lucy younger and with a brighter voice. When her voice dropped and the make-up began being applied with a trowel, with an atrocious clown orange wig to top it all off, the whole thing became a satire. So, getting back to Life With Lucy--I'd love to see the episodes because I want to see if my memory of them as horrid is accurate. The loud-mouthed kids, the too bubbly daughter and stick in the mud nerdy husband, the wacky handyman at the store, and a "guest starring" appearance by John Ritter, again a premise that probably would not happen in real life. These are all coalescing in my mind, and I need an actual DVD set to straighten them out. Bring on Life with Lucy!
  6. How much Lucy "schtick" was repeated in Life with Lucy? I know the "eating something sour" one was done, but where there any other? I saw one clip where she's trying to hit a bug with a flyswatter, and that was old with The Lucy Show. And the least you could do was show Zac shirtless, for heaven's sake.
  7. You're right, it's free speech. And I'm also entitled to speak my mind as a member of the forum. You guys might all have a fast Internet connection, but I don't. Therefore, animated stuff throws everything off, and I have to sit and wait for it to download. I can understand if this was a Zac Efron site, but it's a Lucy site, isn't it? As for Lucy flipping the pages, must it be repeated that many times for someone to adequately "express themself?"
  8. I think I'd rather see Lucy and Gale fighting than watch that annoying video of Zac Ephron over and over again! Not to mention the one of Lucy flipping through that notepad. Once is fine. Even twice ain't bad. But every page is full of both vids. Stop the madness! Why isn't someone playing the Lucy clip of her and Vivian as the witches?
  9. Wasn't there a feeling that Lucy was such a ratings powerhouse that she could somehow add life to the moribund ABC network and be another Cosby? I recall reading that somewhere. I was very eager to watch Life with Lucy and vividly remember sitting down to experience what I'm sure would be a great viewing experience. The theme song was perky enough, though I hated the cheapo writing for the title and the credits. And right away, I could tell this was a throwback to Here's Lucy, with everyone talking VERY loudly. No realism here! When Lucy made her entrance carrying a plant, the audience went wild, and I think it was the best moment of the entire series. But it was business as usual, with Lucy doing the vitameatvegimin schtick with some health conconction, doing all the sour faces, etc. I never really cared for the relationship between Gale and Lucy's characters, not even on The Lucy Show. The beauty of Lucy as a character is that she was sometimes a conniver, sometimes a child, sometimes a very sophisticated woman, but someone who always wanted to better herself in some way. It wasn't as a bubble-headed woman who created havoc so a man could scream at her in exasperation. Not even Ricky did that. The whole dynamic of the Lucy enterprise changed when it was Lucy vs. Mooney, then Lucy vs. Harry, then Lucy vs. Curtis. It just never worked. What Lucy needed was a husband in the show, instead of playing still another widow. Milton Berle would've fit that part perfectly. He was hilarious!
  10. This is good news! Sounds like MPI will be releasing Life with Lucy, after all--since the Arnaz children have worked so well with them before. I'd love to see "Lucy and the Guard Goose!"
  11. I'm sure this topic was mentioned somewhere, but it must've fallen back into the archives. The Lucy Show is about to end its run on DVD, and CBS is also re-releasing the entire I Love Lucy show in new DVD sets. Here's Lucy has also reached its conclusion. So, the obvious question now is, will we ever see LIFE WITH LUCY on DVD? Historically, this series--Lucy's last--is particularly poignant and important. I'd love to see all the original aired episodes, as well as the episodes that never were broadcast. Certainly, interviews with the surviving cast would be interesting. Lucy was 75 years old when Life with Lucy premiered, and I have no doubt she expected to get another six seasons out of the endeavor. That means she would've been 81 when the series ended. Considering the longevity of a lot of comedians of her era, 81 isn't that "old." Alas, we all know what happened...but I gotta wonder, was any of that rushed along by the dismal reaction to Life with Lucy? It would seem to me that the next logical step would be to release the series to DVD. But who owns the rights? I don't believe CBS does, and I don't think Lucie or Desi, Jr. do. It was an Aaron Spelling production, so wouldn't his estate own it? God, does that mean Tori Spelling has to give her "say so" to release Lucy? There's something so wrong in all that. Any feedback? Rod
  12. When I first saw this announcement, I thought "yes!" Then I actually read through it and saw two words that spell trouble: "Universal television." In 2007, they announced The Chiller Channel for Direct-TV, again a Universal television channel. All the PR blurbs said it would be all horror, 24 hours a day. Television shows were announced, like "Twin Peaks" and "Friday the 13th" and "Alfred Hitchcock Presents." They also said movies would be running, as well--just like the announcement for this channel. Then, the channel premiered. Right away, there was a problem. They began with "Tales From the Crypt," a syndicated "horror" show from the 1990s. Think of it as their version of "Highway to Heaven." Not only did they show Tales From the Crypt, they ran it ENDLESSLY, as a marathon. Only a marathon that lasted several days. It lasted so long that they began repeating episodes, three days into the premiere of this new "horror" channel. There were no ads to speak of between shows, just promos for other shows. And the promos were repeated ENDLESSLY--the same ones, over and over, until it became almost mind-numbing. Then, the movies started. They began with "Creepshow II" and "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" and "Demon Seed," which they proceded to run endlessly, over and over, until all the dialogue could be memorized by anyone numb enough to keep watching. The Chiller Channel was highly touted on message boards dealing with horror. But as the weeks wore on, I saw the enthusiasm leaking out of them like air from a balloon. Now, five years later, Chiller (as it's now known) is virtually unwatchable and buried on cable TV. No one mentions it anymore. They stopped showing classic films and now show new, cheap horrors made by independent filmmakers--all heavily edited to take out anyone even remotely disturbing or frightening. So much for the chills from "Chiller." And now I'm reading about Cozi, or whatever it's called. Believe me, once you see the first season of The Lucy Show repeated 12 times, it'll take the shine off the channel. Of course, if you like seeing endless reruns of Highway to Heaven and the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet, this just might be for you. For me, I'm sticking to MeTV, which is also showing repeats...but at least they're not showing garbage like "Highway to Heaven."
  13. If I remember correctly, Lucy had to be convinced to use the "Gene Hibbs' method," and when she came out after having it applied, she asked someone, "does my mouth look like an asshole to you?" That quote was in the Desilu book! Incidentally, Gene Hibbs worked with many veteran actresses, and he was someone who pioneered using different colored foundations on their faces and necks to achieve a youthful glow. Watch Ann Sothern in the later Lucy episodes--underneath her chin and down her neck are much darker than her actual face. Hibbs also used this method on Bette Davis in "Dead Ringer." It's especially evident on Bette when she's in outside shots, and I assume--in real life--she must've been quite a sight. Almost like she was wearing a kabuki mask!
  14. That is definitely the episode I remembered. Wow, what a mind-trip, seeing it almost 40 years later. Thanks for posting it!
  15. OMG, is it really 50 years? My word. I remember watching The Beverly Hillbillies as a 9 year old and being totally entranced. My favorite character was Granny, of course. Irene Ryan seemed perfectly cast as the rambunctious oldster with a taste for moonshine. Actually, everyone was spot-on, including Mr. and Mrs. Drysdale and "Miss Jane." Wow, I can't believe half a century has passed since then. The black and white episodes are my favorites. Funny, but it seems that most shows transitioning to color lost something in the process. Lost in Space became a cartoon, and even The Wild, Wild West changed. The only show that benefited from color was Dark Shadows, in my opinion. Now, for all your BH fans, I have a trivia question: there was an episode that ended with Granny dolled up in a long, sparkly slinky gown. I've only seen this once, but the memory is indelible. She was performing/singing in some kind of club, and they'd even given her a "glamour girl" wig. Does anyone but me remember this snippet? Thanks - Rod
  16. Wow, those are amazing shots! Outside of the hair, I was drawn to her eyebrows, which looked very natural. I'd swear they were real and didn't look penciled in at all. I wonder why Lucy wore the wigs--was it to hide whatever was put over her head to pull the facial skin tighter? I mean, she wasn't losing her hair, that much is obvious. She always had a head full of it. And I'm sure the wigs must've been very hot under those lights. Here's a tidbit: I remember in 1963 or so, my little sister was given the Lucy and her Family paper doll set. I played with it, too, and I always thought--really, for the longest time--that Lucy was much MUCH younger than Vivian, even on the Lucy Show. She always had a very youthful way about her, and that helped preserve the impression of youth. When were those wig shots taken? Anybody know? Rod
  17. Well, certainly Lucy wasn't wearing a wig in "Lucy and Viv Put in a Shower," since Vivian actually pulls Lucy up out of the water by her hair! I read the Desilu book, and apparently the wig thing entered the picture when Lucy started having her face "taped." Odd, but looking at her in the early Lucy show episodes, I never once got the impression she had her face taped. She seemed perfectly natural, with nothing "tightened." But I also noticed that she looked much younger in the first season than she did in the last few Lucy/Desi comedy hours. She looks especially aged in the Paul Douglas weathergirl episode.
  18. Lucy is a Kangaroo is definitely one of the funniest Lucy Shows ever! A lot of physical comedy there, and seeing an older Lucy in her slip was a surprise! I also loved (as I said on another thread) Lucy and Viv put up a TV Antenna. The whole thing is hysterical. But if I had to name one scene where I absolutely lost it, that would have to be Lucy's Italian Movie, specifically the start of the fight in the grape barrell. When she pushes the woman down, she looks genuinely surprised, and the "Im-a pooped" line always makes me laugh. Rod
  19. The picture you posted is a great example of the clown eyebrows in the middle of her forehead. While the eyebrows themselves look good, they need to be down about half an inch toward her actual eyes. The purpose of an eyebrow, after all, is to flatter the eye and protect it. It's not supposed to just sit there in a spot where it shouldn't be, like a caterpillar. The points closest to her nose are the worst offenders. Rod
  20. Part of the problem was Lucy's age and addiction to cigs. Smoking brought out all the fine lines of her upper lip, and when she exaggerated the lipline with lipstick--especially pink--it looked grotesque. She really did look her best (older Lucy) in the first seasons of The Lucy Show. I loved her hair, too, and was shocked to learn that it was a wig. When did that start happening? I can see a hairline! On Here's Lucy, the later episodes, I did notice that she was wearing something because it was now a carrot orange and dry looking, instead of the elegant hairstyle of The Lucy Show. And I absolutely loved her hair on Life with Lucy. The picture that someone posted of Lucy from 1986 is very flattering, except for the caterpillar eyebrows that seem to have a life of their own. I suppose the eyebrows being "up" was designed to give the impression of youthful, wide-eyed innocence. But whenever I saw her on talk shows and game shows during that period, the brows looked gray, and they seemed to just be stuck there with glue. Horrible!
  21. Make-up can do wonders, and I think Lucy looked her best during the first two seasons of "The Lucy Show." It wasn't just the artfully applied eye make-up (on Viv, too), but her base was several shades lighter than her neck, which gave the appearance of less lines. I also liked her eyebrows, which never drew attention to themselves. It wasn't until Here's Lucy where I began seeing distinct changes in Lucy's make-up, and I didn't like them. For one, the top lip became even more pronounced. For another, the color of her wig was too orangey. By the time Life with Lucy came along, she wore more make-up than an embalmed corpse, and I HATED her eyebrows! Whoever had the bright idea of putting them in the middle of her forehead did her a great disservice. Lucille Ball was a gorgeous woman, and with the right make-up, she could've looked lovely right into old age. She looked great in Mame, too, even with the filters. Once the eyebrows shot up to the middle of her forehead, things went downhill. I can't even call it a "surprised" look, more like a miscalculation by a make-up artist who couldn't see too well. Was it Hal King? Rod
  22. I believe it was in the Production Notes of one of the seasons--probably Season One, since I was just watching it last week. There's a Ralph Hart script with his math homework written on the front, and it says the script was provided by Ralph. Here's the YouTube link. The clips lasts 4 minutes. Ralph comes in at 3.25 carrying a Baby Jane doll toward the middle, after Jane sings, "I've Written a Letter to Daddy." What ever Happened to Baby Jane was released in October of 1962, so it coincides with Ralph's Lucy Show premiere! Rod
  23. Thanks for the welcome, guys! Great to be here. As for Ralph's absence, didn't he provide a script for one of the supplements showing his math homework? So, he's around. He has a memorable bit part in "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane," presenting the annoying little Jane with a Jane doll. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I didn't love Lucy's shows--I thought they were all great. But my absolute favorites have to be the first three seasons of "The Lucy Show." Those are the ones I remember most vividly. In fact, I bought the first season on DVD for one episode alone: Lucy and Viv put up a TV Antenna. Not only did an image from that episode appear on the first issue of Gold Key's "The Lucy Show" comic (in color, yet), it is still today one of the most hilarious episodes in any Lucy show, old or relatively new. I also had the distinct impression that Lucy, especially in the first season, ad-libbed a lot of her stuff. Watch the stilts-walking sequence, when she's talking to Viv. She says, "Viv, I'm tired," and I don't think that was in the script. Later, she became louder, more prone to glancing off-screen for the cue cards, and we no longer saw any close-ups. Once she lost her distinctive voice, that could do so much, a lot of what made Lucy great went, too. But she never lost her verve and energy. Just watch the few episodes of Life with Lucy there were. When she's in that bucking bronco of an easy chair, it's just an amazing feat. Hard to believe she passed away only three years later. Rod
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