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VIVIAN & VALERIE: When "Ethel" Met RHODA

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I'm not sure if this has ever been posted at the Lucy Lounge but VIVIAN's guest appearance on RHODA starring the great VALERIE HARPER is on youtube (tried posting a link on this post but I guess I'm not doing it right as it wouldn't show up.)

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Very good episode. I really enjoyed Viv's appearance on this show.

Yes, proof that she could have done a lot more of these guest appearances instead of a coffee commercial.

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A commercial is like a days worth of work for some pretty good money, that's why so many actors do them. Commercial voice over is even better on the ROI

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A commercial is like a days worth of work for some pretty good money, that's why so many actors do them. Commercial voice over is even better on the ROI

I know that and she did several not just one, but she should have worked more in tv after leaving Lucy.

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I know that and she did severa,l not just one, but she should have worked more in tv after leaving Lucy.

 

Well, her reason for leaving The Lucy Show, in 1965, was so she could spend more time with her husband, in Conneticutt. I don't think she wanted to work steady anymore.

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Well, her reason for leaving The Lucy Show, in 1965, was so she could spend more time with her husband, in Conneticutt. I don't think she wanted to work steady anymore.

 

Yeah, but didn't she move back to California sometime in the mid-70s? Didn't she pass away in California? I think she should've worked more in TV too but I guess she enjoyed the theater more, eh?

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Well, her reason for leaving The Lucy Show, in 1965, was so she could spend more time with her husband, in Conneticutt. I don't think she wanted to work steady anymore.

I meant working in New Yirk, on the stage, as she lived near there.

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I know that and she did several not just one, but she should have worked more in tv after leaving Lucy.

I'm with you, there should have been more offers in the 1970's but then there was that idiot Hollywood mentality at the time that tv actors were popular for their characters rather than being popular actors playing roles. Very few tv people who established themselves in the 1950's to 1970's got much in the way of later roles other than the true icons like Lucy, Jackie Gleason, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke. Even with her Emmy and fame and being the pioneer (and still yardstick to measure any newbies by) supporting sitcom comedienne, I don't think Vivian quite had the high public profile (can't really say though 'cuz I wasn't around for any of the ILL and too little to remember her on TLS when it was new, just going by the old movie and tv mags) as her later sisters such as Doris Roberts, Estelle Getty, or Rhea Perlman. Hopefully I'm wrong because I'd love to know the 50s/60s viewers appreciated her as Vivian Vance as not just "Ethel Mertz/Vivian Bagley".

 

One thing I believe if she had survived into her late 80's/early 90s a decade ago I think she'd have been the "first" Betty White as Hollywood's supercool old gal being the last of the ILL stars and a now recognized true tv icon in her own right (as she was posthumously if not quite in her lifetime).

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I'm with you, there should have been more offers in the 1970's but then there was that idiot Hollywood mentality at the time that tv actors were popular for their characters rather than being popular actors playing roles. Very few tv people who established themselves in the 1950's to 1970's got much in the way of later roles other than the true icons like Lucy, Jackie Gleason, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke. Even with her Emmy and fame and being the pioneer (and still yardstick to measure any newbies by) supporting sitcom comedienne, I don't think Vivian quite had the high public profile (can't really say though 'cuz I wasn't around for any of the ILL and too little to remember her on TLS when it was new, just going by the old movie and tv mags) as her later sisters such as Doris Roberts, Estelle Getty, or Rhea Perlman. Hopefully I'm wrong because I'd love to know the 50s/60s viewers appreciated her as Vivian Vance as not just "Ethel Mertz/Vivian Bagley".

 

One thing I believe if she had survived into her late 80's/early 90s a decade ago I think she'd have been the "first" Betty White as Hollywood's supercool old gal being the last of the ILL stars and a now recognized true tv icon in her own right (as she was posthumously if not quite in her lifetime).

Do you think her mental problems had anything to do with her lacking work on TV? After that story of her in Guestward Ho where she froze on set?

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I'm with you, there should have been more offers in the 1970's but then there was that idiot Hollywood mentality at the time that tv actors were popular for their characters rather than being popular actors playing roles. Very few tv people who established themselves in the 1950's to 1970's got much in the way of later roles other than the true icons like Lucy, Jackie Gleason, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke. Even with her Emmy and fame and being the pioneer (and still yardstick to measure any newbies by) supporting sitcom comedienne, I don't think Vivian quite had the high public profile (can't really say though 'cuz I wasn't around for any of the ILL and too little to remember her on TLS when it was new, just going by the old movie and tv mags) as her later sisters such as Doris Roberts, Estelle Getty, or Rhea Perlman. Hopefully I'm wrong because I'd love to know the 50s/60s viewers appreciated her as Vivian Vance as not just "Ethel Mertz/Vivian Bagley".

 

One thing I believe if she had survived into her late 80's/early 90s a decade ago I think she'd have been the "first" Betty White as Hollywood's supercool old gal being the last of the ILL stars and a now recognized true tv icon in her own right (as she was posthumously if not quite in her lifetime).

I also dun't thin she was a workaholic like Lucy, so she may not have wanted to work that hard or often.

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Wow! That's awesome - what did she say?

 

Essentially talking about how wonderful it was and what an honour it was to work with her.

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