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I understand the quote, but why is it when we question coloring the show, its some kind of questioning of Lucys comedy or the show itself? :)

This isn't a question about whats funny, or what makes the show last. BW doesn't make the show better or worse as far as

content goes. Its genius- But the show faces a problem: Lucy lasts forever, but Black and White doesn't. (name one show on TV shot in BW for the entire 2013 season lol),

 

No one is coloring the show in hopes that it would make it funnier- thats ridiculous-Coloring is only a way of enhancing the show, keeping it new and fresh, and thriving. Lucy, in her Byline interview in 1950 said she wished THEN that TV was done in color. Desi, during ILL, thought about it and eventually Desilu went into it , I dont see what the big scare is. Hey, look at it this way, if we start now, over time, who knows how beautiful it would look colored.

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I just watched All About Eve on blu-ray for the first time last night....and I never noticed FOR A MOMENT that it wasn't in color!!! :D

 

It just reinforced to me that if something is really, truly of quality, be it comedic, dramatic, art, entertainment WHATEVER and its original form just happens to have been in B&W then that is what was intended, is of its origins, of its time. The creators of many, most of these in-the-process-of-being-bastardized-for-a-buck classics are no longer with us ....and I have a very, very hard time believing that they'd approve or appreciate them being altered in this way, especially for commercial gain.

 

Shall we add arms to the statue of David? Paint a smile on the Mona Lisa?? Rearrange faces on Picassos to look more like a "real" face??! I don't think so... and the more I think about it, "television programs" though they may only be, I consider them "art" as well and not meant to be tampered with to appease the masses, just because attention spans grow shorter by the moment and some people feel film and TV shows have to be neon-bright candy colored to be palatable to an increasingly inpatient audience.

 

Just my opinion. B)

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I just watched All About Eve on blu-ray for the first time last night....and I never noticed FOR A MOMENT that it wasn't in color!!! :D

 

It just reinforced to me that if something is really, truly of quality, be it comedic, dramatic, art, entertainment WHATEVER and its original form just happens to have been in B&W then that is what was intended, is of its origins, of its time. The creators of many, most of these in-the-process-of-being-bastardized-for-a-buck classics are no longer with us ....and I have a very, very hard time believing that they'd approve or appreciate them being altered in this way, especially for commercial gain.

 

Shall we add arms to the statue of David? Paint a smile on the Mona Lisa?? Rearrange faces on Picassos to look more like a "real" face??! I don't think so... and the more I think about it, "television programs" though they may only be, I consider them "art" as well and not meant to be tampered with to appease the masses, just because attention spans grow shorter by the moment and some people feel film and TV shows have to be neon-bright candy colored to be palatable to an increasingly inpatient audience.

 

Just my opinion. B)

No, the show should be done in C O L O R as it will then reach an even greater audience, AND for us who have seen it in dull black and white for a half a century will now finally have something totally NEW to watch, just MY opinion, LOL!

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AND for us who have seen it in dull black and white for a half a century...

 

Poor Karl just turned over in his grave. lol

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Poor Karl just turned over in his grave. lol

No, I have many shots of Karl wandering the set muttering to himself, GOD, WISH THIS SHOW WAS IN COLOR, I COULD DO SO MUCH MORE FOR IT IF IT WAS. This black and white crap gives me nothing to work with damnit!

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First of all, you are still acting as if B&W is not avaliable... and once again, it is! It is only scarce in stores because the people have chosen what they wanted. AND The majority of people nowadays buy online, so this whole "on the shelves" nonsense is ... well ... nonsense. The B&W sets are completely available... go to amazon... target online.... walmart online... and WHAT? They have it in black and white! And I'm sure the reason they put in color in the box set is because they want it to match as they said before. And I can't tell you why they didn't colorize the Andy Griffith Show or The Lucy Show. . . I'm sure it all depends on there sales revenue and what would be worth the money to colorize... and Bewitched was apparently worth it. HOWEVER... I do agree with the 3D things, they are unnecessary and add no viewing pleasure unlike color.

 

 

 

Who cares if it wasn't one of her color projects? IT'S AMAZING, whether in B&W or color! And if it takes colorization for it to keep the show afloat for generations to come... we need to do it! Fact is, most kids don't want to watch B&W, as Henry said, they are grown up with amazing technology and B&W just looks old to them. I really don't care what the author says... Lucy is and will be funny in B&W or color! 'nuff said.

 

Fine. Go ahead. Colorize everything. Hell, why stop there? If the biggest issue is whether or not younger generations will tune in, perhaps colorization won't be enough. After all, chances are most kids nowadays won't know who any of the actors are, and THAT could be quite a turn off. So perhaps we need to remake every single episode with Kim Kardashian as Lucy and Paris Hilton as Ethel. Now there's something the kiddies would watch!

 

I'm just saying, where's the line here? If we continuously update everything to suit the limited taste of the "general public", nothing will ever be enough. Colorization will never look authentic no matter how much the process has improved, and frankly if you aren't interested in watching something in B&W chances are you won't give a damn about the subject matter to begin with. Can nothing be sacred anymore? Can't we for once just take it as it is without having to fix anything? Black and white is as much a stylistic choice as it was a product of the time, and to change B&W to color is to imply that it's imperfect, indecent and unnecessary. Roger Ebert once said that anyone who would watch anything colorized has no taste and no business watching such products to begin with, and I have to say I agree.

 

And as for that "the people have chosen what they wanted" business, all I can say to that is...yeah, the "people" are always so astute at making good choices in this world! <_<

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Fine. Go ahead. Colorize everything. Hell, why stop there? If the biggest issue is whether or not younger generations will tune in, perhaps colorization won't be enough. After all, chances are most kids nowadays won't know who any of the actors are, and THAT could be quite a turn off. So perhaps we need to remake every single episode with Kim Kardashian as Lucy and Paris Hilton as Ethel. Now there's something the kiddies would watch!

 

I'm just saying, where's the line here? If we continuously update everything to suit the limited taste of the "general public", nothing will ever be enough. Colorization will never look authentic no matter how much the process has improved, and frankly if you aren't interested in watching something in B&W chances are you won't give a damn about the subject matter to begin with. Can nothing be sacred anymore? Can't we for once just take it as it is without having to fix anything? Black and white is as much a stylistic choice as it was a product of the time, and to change B&W to color is to imply that it's imperfect, indecent and unnecessary. Roger Ebert once said that anyone who would watch anything colorized has no taste and no business watching such products to begin with, and I have to say I agree.

 

Okay, all frustration aside here for a second, I just paused to actually picture Kim and Paris playing Lucy and Ethel, and I really hope SNL does something with that some day! :marionstrong: :marionstrong: :marionstrong:

 

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, I truly don't. But I guess I have a hard time understanding why B&W is such an issue for people. It's their problem, therefore it's their business to work on it! Why must the world bow down to them? Can't people take the time to understand B&W and adjust? Fortunately, as a reliable source recently told me, colorization is a dying art and not many places do it anymore, so the likelihood of all episodes happening is, happily, slim.

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Just to move things on here, I do have a legit question:

 

This is a new colorization of the Christmas episode, right? It's not the same one from back in the 90s? Has that been officially confirmed?

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I just watched All About Eve on blu-ray for the first time last night....and I never noticed FOR A MOMENT that it wasn't in color!!! :D

 

It just reinforced to me that if something is really, truly of quality, be it comedic, dramatic, art, entertainment WHATEVER and its original form just happens to have been in B&W then that is what was intended, is of its origins, of its time. The creators of many, most of these in-the-process-of-being-bastardized-for-a-buck classics are no longer with us ....and I have a very, very hard time believing that they'd approve or appreciate them being altered in this way, especially for commercial gain.

 

Shall we add arms to the statue of David? Paint a smile on the Mona Lisa?? Rearrange faces on Picassos to look more like a "real" face??! I don't think so... and the more I think about it, "television programs" though they may only be, I consider them "art" as well and not meant to be tampered with to appease the masses, just because attention spans grow shorter by the moment and some people feel film and TV shows have to be neon-bright candy colored to be palatable to an increasingly inpatient audience.

 

Just my opinion. B)

 

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Just to move things on here, I do have a legit question:

 

This is a new colorization of the Christmas episode, right? It's not the same one from back in the 90s? Has that been officially confirmed?

No, it is simply an update in a higher definition. Nothing is re-colorized. This is a quote from Gregg:

"The Christmas show (wraparounds only) was colorized in 1989 in standard definition. The only "fix" CBS is working on is to try to somehow "combine" the restored 1080p black and white version with the colorized 1989 version (without "re-colorizing" anything) to get pretty much the same colorization as the existing one, but with much sharper resolution and far fewer digital artifacts, which should make for a much better viewing experience. That's why they're doing it - not to try to match colors to the Jamestown sets or anything else. Unlike in the 1990 broadcast, the black and white flashbacks will be the restored, hi-def versions. The flashback scenes won't be colorized for this release."

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Faith and bigora that is good news!

Oh and I love how you got your point across with that colored avatar of one of her greatest performances too, LOL!

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I will say I would love to see Lucy and her sunburn in color. I wonder what that makeup looked like.

Well, it was RED all right, hence Fred's comment that she looked like a tomato.

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Fine. Go ahead. Colorize everything. Hell, why stop there? If the biggest issue is whether or not younger generations will tune in, perhaps colorization won't be enough. After all, chances are most kids nowadays won't know who any of the actors are, and THAT could be quite a turn off. So perhaps we need to remake every single episode with Kim Kardashian as Lucy and Paris Hilton as Ethel. Now there's something the kiddies would watch!

 

I'm just saying, where's the line here? If we continuously update everything to suit the limited taste of the "general public", nothing will ever be enough. Colorization will never look authentic no matter how much the process has improved, and frankly if you aren't interested in watching something in B&W chances are you won't give a damn about the subject matter to begin with. Can nothing be sacred anymore? Can't we for once just take it as it is without having to fix anything? Black and white is as much a stylistic choice as it was a product of the time, and to change B&W to color is to imply that it's imperfect, indecent and unnecessary. Roger Ebert once said that anyone who would watch anything colorized has no taste and no business watching such products to begin with, and I have to say I agree.

 

And as for that "the people have chosen what they wanted" business, all I can say to that is...yeah, the "people" are always so astute at making good choices in this world! <_<

OMG, you just won't let this go huh? LOL! Stop saying it's for the kiddies they're doing this because THIS IS ONE O L D MAN who wants to see it happen.

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And as for that "the people have chosen what they wanted" business, all I can say to that is...yeah, the "people" are always so astute at making good choices in this world! <_<

Can't argue that one, look at the movies that are hugely popular or the tv shows that are in the top ten, certainly not la crème de la crème by any means.
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Okay, all frustration aside here for a second, I just paused to actually picture Kim and Paris playing Lucy and Ethel, and I really hope SNL does something with that some day! :marionstrong: :marionstrong: :marionstrong:

 

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, I truly don't. But I guess I have a hard time understanding why B&W is such an issue for people. It's their problem, therefore it's their business to work on it! Why must the world bow down to them? Can't people take the time to understand B&W and adjust? Fortunately, as a reliable source recently told me, colorization is a dying art and not many places do it anymore, so the likelihood of all episodes happening is, happily, slim.

STOP worrying about offending or ruffling feathers, we're just talking here and have no say in the matter at all, it's gonna happen whether you or I like it or not.

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No, it is simply an update in a higher definition. Nothing is re-colorized. This is a quote from Gregg:

"The Christmas show (wraparounds only) was colorized in 1989 in standard definition. The only "fix" CBS is working on is to try to somehow "combine" the restored 1080p black and white version with the colorized 1989 version (without "re-colorizing" anything) to get pretty much the same colorization as the existing one, but with much sharper resolution and far fewer digital artifacts, which should make for a much better viewing experience. That's why they're doing it - not to try to match colors to the Jamestown sets or anything else. Unlike in the 1990 broadcast, the black and white flashbacks will be the restored, hi-def versions. The flashback scenes won't be colorized for this release."

 

Thank you, I appreciate you clarifying that for me :)

 

To play devil's advocate for a moment, it's actually a little unfortunate they didn't update this one. If any episode would make a nice sampler in color, it's this one. You'd get to see all the primary sets in one episode. For curiosity factor, this is the episode to do it with. But as I recently heard, it's becoming a rarer and pricier process to do.

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Roger Ebert once said that anyone who would watch anything colorized has no taste and no business watching such products to begin with, and I have to say I agree.

 

 

Yeah, and we all know what a fine arbiter of TASTE Mr Ebert was. Not only did his only famous writing credit for the movies consist of BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, but he LOVED the artsy fartsy films nobody ever wants to see and he had opinions like all of us have, he chose quite a few duds along with the occasional succes d'estime.

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Love it!!!! :)

Why don't you two get together for a black and white film festival sometime while the rest of us savor everything out there regardless of colorization. LOL!

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Yeah, and we all know what a fine arbiter of TASTE Mr Ebert was. Not only did his only famous writing credit for the movies consist of BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, but he LOVED the artsy fartsy films nobody ever wants to see and he had opinions like all of us have, he chose quite a few duds along with the occasional succes d'estime.

 

I disagreed with Ebert on a number of things, it's true. But he had a point about this one. And keep in mind he's primarily speaking of the early days when they painted on those ghastly pastels to videotape. Ever seen the early colorization of Heidi with Shirley Temple Fox issued on video? The color flickers in and out all the time! The updated one for DVD was at least consistent, if not terribly realistic.

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I don't really care to begin a third world war here, so I will stop after this. All I'm saying is Lucy is funny... in B&W or color. DONE! :)

Hey, this is the most active and lively thread in ages, let the feud go on, er I mean the discussion go on . . .LOL!

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