LittleRickyII Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I do remember reading that Desi would sometimes share a woman with someone he knew but they could not share a bed, in separate rooms ok but not together. How wonderful that he was so unselfish and would share everything with his friends. His mother taught him well. Now who were these friends of his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 How wonderful that he was so unselfish and would share everything with his friends. His mother taught him well. Now who were these friends of his? I assume his band members for one. Then, he made a lot of friends in entertainment and then running the studio too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I assume his band members for one. Then, he made a lot of friends in entertainment and then running the studio too. Was Fred Ball one of them? I thought I had read something to that effect, though I could have misunderstood. At least I hope so for his sister's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvsbway Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 In his book Desi talks a bit about fights he would have with Lucy about him screwing all the girls on the road. He defends himself saying that he was much too busy for that and besides Fred usually got to them first. This was not the only time I read that Fred had a thing for the ladies as well. I do find this a rather crappy thing to do to your sister by essentially assisting your brother in law to cheat on his wife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Was Fred Ball one of them? I thought I had read something to that effect, though I could have misunderstood. At least I hope so for his sister's sake. Fred procured whores for Desi, i dunno about him participating himself. But HE was on the bus with the band so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 In his book Desi talks a bit about fights he would have with Lucy about him screwing all the girls on the road. He defends himself saying that he was much too busy for that and besides Fred usually got to them first. This was not the only time I read that Fred had a thing for the ladies as well. I do find this a rather crappy thing to do to your sister by essentially assisting your brother in law to cheat on his wife. Oh yeah, forgot about that and you sure are right about the last part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I was thinking today, i know, a first no doubt, and i came to this conclusion, Lucy definitely was way ahead of the game on gay rights as she had these all male COUPLES in her home, at dinners and on trips and she never thought about it twice, Of course, in show business, she had to have seen that for decades but it was pretty wonderful of her to include them and not have any of the old fashioned thoughts some of her contemporaries did. And she did all that thirty or more years before it became the normalcy it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 In his book Desi talks a bit about fights he would have with Lucy about him screwing all the girls on the road. He defends himself saying that he was much too busy for that and besides Fred usually got to them first. This was not the only time I read that Fred had a thing for the ladies as well. I do find this a rather crappy thing to do to your sister by essentially assisting your brother in law to cheat on his wife. I used to have a copy of Lucy's will. I don't know what I did with it, but there is a brief mention of Fred in it. Now the whole thing was very formal and legalistic so I don't know how to interpret it. But it said something to the effect that there was nothing for Fred as he had already been taken care of. I didn't know whether to interpret that as "I've already bestowed my inheritance on Fred in life," or "I'm P.O.'d at Fred, gave him a job in the past and then he did such and such, so there's nothing more for him." Fred did work for Desilu during the years of Lucy and Desi's marriage, but I'm unaware of him ever working for his sister after their divorce. And I've never seen photos of them together in later years like you do see photos of Lucy with Cleo or her mother. And never heard about him ever been at her house, or her at his. So I don't know. Makes me wonder. He did come to at least one of the Lucy conventions in Burbank, so it didn't appear he had any hard feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I was thinking today, i know, a first no doubt, and i came to this conclusion, Lucy definitely was way ahead of the game on gay rights as she had these all male COUPLES in her home, at dinners and on trips and she never thought about it twice, Of course, in show business, she had to have seen that for decades but it was pretty wonderful of her to include them and not have any of the old fashioned thoughts some of her contemporaries did. And she did all that thirty or more years before it became the normalcy it is today. And she was inviting Nancy Kulp and her girlfriend to hang out at her Palm Springs home in the '50s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Fred procured whores for Desi, i dunno about him participating himself. But HE was on the bus with the band so who knows? If he procured whores for Desi, then he was betraying his sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I used to have a copy of Lucy's will. I don't know what I did with it, but there is a brief mention of Fred in it. Now the whole thing was very formal and legalistic so I don't know how to interpret it. But it said something to the effect that there was nothing for Fred as he had already been taken care of. I didn't know whether to interpret that as "I've already bestowed my inheritance on Fred in life," or "I'm P.O.'d at Fred, gave him a job in the past and then he did such and such, so there's nothing more for him." Fred did work for Desilu during the years of Lucy and Desi's marriage, but I'm unaware of him ever working for his sister after their divorce. And I've never seen photos of them together in later years like you do see photos of Lucy with Cleo or her mother. And never heard about him ever been at her house, or her at his. So I don't know. Makes me wonder. He did come to at least one of the Lucy conventions in Burbank, so it didn't appear he had any hard feelings. In the Carson interview TCM recently aired, Lucy mentioned how content she was everyone in her family was happy and healthy, including "my brother and all his kids." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 In the Carson interview TCM recently aired, Lucy mentioned how content she was everyone in her family was happy and healthy, including "my brother and all his kids." Oh, okay then. That answers that question. Thanks, Brock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCarter Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Lucy made Fred head of real estate investments at Desilu after she became president. Fred was also manager of the Indian Wells Hotel was opened by Desi, but was controlled by Lucy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I was thinking today, i know, a first no doubt, and i came to this conclusion, Lucy definitely was way ahead of the game on gay rights as she had these all male COUPLES in her home, at dinners and on trips and she never thought about it twice, Of course, in show business, she had to have seen that for decades but it was pretty wonderful of her to include them and not have any of the old fashioned thoughts some of her contemporaries did. And she did all that thirty or more years before it became the normalcy it is today. And let's not forget knowingly or not (and I'd be surprised if she didn't!) she employed several as well (e.g. Maury Thompson, Herb Kenwith etc.), and was seemingly quite loyal to them as well.... now whether that was truly a "two-way street" --especially after her passing when lots of kvetching could be heard -- is perhaps another matter. Still, I think it's just another example of how "ahead of her time" she really was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I used to have a copy of Lucy's will. I don't know what I did with it, but there is a brief mention of Fred in it. Now the whole thing was very formal and legalistic so I don't know how to interpret it. But it said something to the effect that there was nothing for Fred as he had already been taken care of. I didn't know whether to interpret that as "I've already bestowed my inheritance on Fred in life," or "I'm P.O.'d at Fred, gave him a job in the past and then he did such and such, so there's nothing more for him." Fred did work for Desilu during the years of Lucy and Desi's marriage, but I'm unaware of him ever working for his sister after their divorce. And I've never seen photos of them together in later years like you do see photos of Lucy with Cleo or her mother. And never heard about him ever been at her house, or her at his. So I don't know. Makes me wonder. He did come to at least one of the Lucy conventions in Burbank, so it didn't appear he had any hard feelings. That is the one single BEST thing about Lucy, Desi and even gary, they A L L took care of family, all the time, as soon as they had money, they made sure everyone related was well taken care of, which is something Lucy did her whole life, even friends and some strangers too. As for Fred, Lucy gave him work, and many jobs over the years, that's what she meant, she took care of him her whole life so why should she include him in her will? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenorman Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 In the Carson interview TCM recently aired, Lucy mentioned how content she was everyone in her family was happy and healthy, including "my brother and all his kids." Anyone in the know exactly, and correctly, just HOW MANY children Fred had? I've not been aware of some of this stuff before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvsbway Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Anyone in the know exactly, and correctly, just HOW MANY children Fred had? I've not been aware of some of this stuff before. And when whomever answers this could you let us know with which wife he had what kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenorman Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Lucy made Fred head of real estate investments at Desilu after she became president. Fred was also manager of the Indian Wells Hotel was opened by Desi, but was controlled by Lucy. Thanks, Harry... How many offspring does he claim? names, if you have them - when you have time....Loving you, JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCarter Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Fred's wives: Lucille 2 (Daughter: Pam) Phyllis (Daughter: Melissa) Zo (Children: April & Geoffrey) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvsbway Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Thanks. That's the part I was missing. Heck I don't even know if I knew his second wive's name. Where did that marriage fit in? Can you give me the run down like that for Cleo's kids too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCarter Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Thanks. That's the part I was missing. Heck I don't even know if I knew his second wive's name. Where did that marriage fit in? Can you give me the run down like that for Cleo's kids too. Fred and Phyllis Brier married in the late 1940s at the Desilu Ranch. Phyllis was from Jamestown. Cleo's marriages: Artie Auerbach Kenny Morgan (son: Scott) Cecil Smith (children: Marcus and Tina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvsbway Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Perfect. Wasn't Scott adopted? Did any of these kids make it to the Home Movie outakes? We know Pam got screen time but there is male person in the outakes who is not identified and it seems like he is someone's kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Fred's wives: Lucille 2 (Daughter: Pam) Phyllis (Daughter: Melissa) Zo (Children: April & Geoffrey) Wow, I had no idea he had these other children. I only knew about Pam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Wow, I had no idea he had these other children. I only knew about Pam. Very nice to see that, at least you know what Pam's saying is all true, nice change from the usual stuff out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenorman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 And when whomever answers this could you let us know with which wife he had what kid. Thanks; should have said that; glad YOU did - went back and looked at his obit; four children - NEXT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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