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Mot Morenzi    1,551
43 minutes ago, RodMcK1 said:

Usually, when these channels pay public domain episodes, it’s from horrible old prints.  I guess this channel ripped it from a consumer dvd.

The first time I saw part of "Lucy's Substitute Secretary" was on some random channel on a motel TV. It was clearly taken from one of the beat up 16mm prints that showed up on all those public domain releases. 

Is channel 263 not one of the official channels that would legitimately carry The Lucy Show?

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Neil    1,366

"Lucy the Disc Jockey" is one of those that gives "The Lucy Show" a bad name.   Though written by Garry Marshall and Jerry Belson (in their sleep?), the smoke coming out of the radio console is a definite pyromaniac-Milt touch.  So much wrong with the episode that I'll only mention one: it's unlikely the radio people would put Lucy in charge and then just disappear.  Well, maybe two: does DANFIELD have freeways?   What is this?  Bancroft??  Most of the gags make me do same.   There are a couple of laughs but the last scene might have worked with Viv.  Did she have to catch an earlier flight back to Connecticut?  (John Dodds: "Why, Viv honey!  So NICE to see you back early" as poolboy slips out back door).   I always thought 'what a waste for the last Viv show', but then I learned  it was pre-empted from its original airdate making the much better  "Stockholder" the last Viv episode (last one aired, anyway).   "Glynis", unspooling in The Lucy Show's time slot in the summer gave Viv some time to have her whirlwind romance with Vern Bunson, leaving poor Eddie to drown his sorrows at the Elm Tree Inn's bar listening to ROberta Sherwood's nightly 3-hour rendition of "Up a Lazy River" (RO ignores Eddie's requests: "Toot Toot Tootsie, Good-By" and "Viv Bagley, Won't You Please Come Home?").  Judging by the commercials, The Lucy Show's target audience is either overweight, wrinkled or has one foot in grave (don't be taken in by "John Hancock Funeral Insurance"'s claim that "your premiums will never go up and your coverage will never go down" because I read the fine print "benefits subject to John Hancock's ability to pay"  WHAAAA????)

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RodMcK1    60
On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 10:21 AM, Mot Morenzi said:

The first time I saw part of "Lucy's Substitute Secretary" was on some random channel on a motel TV. It was clearly taken from one of the beat up 16mm prints that showed up on all those public domain releases. 

Is channel 263 not one of the official channels that would legitimately carry The Lucy Show?

Said channel appears to air only public domain episodes, and I don't believe the bouncing ball/jack in the box opening was ever included in any legitimate syndication package.

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Mot Morenzi    1,551
3 hours ago, Neil said:

(John Dodds: "Why, Viv honey!  So NICE to see you back early" as poolboy slips out back door). 

:hlLOL:!!!!!

I agree, Disc Jockey is not one of the show's finer moments; Stockholder definitely should've been the last broadcast episode as intended. Had the radio station scene been a joint comedy routine between Lucy and Vivian, it would've been much better. After season one, there were so few Lucy/Viv routines that really stood out, and this was a missed opportunity for another one. 

Lucy and Viv wreaking havoc together was a riot, but Lucy goofing everything up alone can be grating. It's like, "come on, woman, pull yourself together!"

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Neil    1,366

Decades Lucy Shows this morning "Choirmaster" and "Discovers Wayne Newton".

There's something different about 4th season Lucy Carmichael.  For one thing: IMO she looks better than in any other TLS season and her voice still has that ingenue-lilt.  There's a sweetness and vulnerability about her that's absent from much of the 3rd season.  Those inexperienced Lucy writers tended to mine the bossy side of her character for comedy--not realizing that for Lucy to be lovable, her character has to be balanced with heart.   There were some writer hold-overs from 3rd season but the new 4th season crop brought a fresh angle to Lucy's character.  (And yes, I'm fully aware of the handful of 4th season duffers). 

She's particularly appealing in "Choirmaster", a little sad being alone at Christmas ---even though Jimmy/Jerry makes an unexpected, unexplained appearance.  "This year I'm only buying presents for the children" (Chris: "That's us....").  Under the category of "it's the little things she does", two moments stand out.  After the boys flub the lyrics, she apologizes to the audience and poses to start conducting, but then turns to the audience one more time to apologize again.  ("Do forgive us....").  Then earlier when they're rehearsing, she's making sure they're all there and says with seriousness "Will any boy who is not here please raise his hand?" and she's got her finger up ready to count them.    Again, little moments but they go a long way adding appeal to the character of Lucy.  (something later shows didn't always project).  1965-66 would have been the height of her Desilu presidential duties, but she knows the scripts---no cue card eye-darting that I could see.   Amazing that in 3 short years, The Lucy Show went from a cast of seven (if you count Barnsdahl and Harry) to a cast of TWO (if you don't count Mary Jane's sporadic appearances).

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Harrison    107
On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 9:23 AM, Neil said:

 Amazing that in 3 short years, The Lucy Show went from a cast of seven (if you count Barnsdahl and Harry) to a cast of TWO (if you don't count Mary Jane's sporadic appearances).

If you don't count the kids, the cast in season 1 was primarily just Lucy and Viv, and seasons 2 & 3 was Lucy, Viv, and Gale. Season 4 through 6 was Lucy, Gale, and to some extent, Mary Jane.

The secondary cast for season 1 was the kids, Dick Martin, and Charles Lane, and seasons 2 & 3 was the kids (with Ann Sothern in season 3), season 4 was Ann Sothern, and seasons 5 and 6 was Roy Roberts (as Harrison Cheever). 

So in a nutshell, there really wasn't that much difference throughout the series when it came to the size of the main cast.

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Freddie2    858

I wouldn’t count Barnsdahl as an official character, even though he was intended to be. Carol “Bradford” Burnett appeared in as many episodes as Lane did. 

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Mot Morenzi    1,551
7 hours ago, Freddie2 said:

I wouldn’t count Barnsdahl as an official character, even though he was intended to be. Carol “Bradford” Burnett appeared in as many episodes as Lane did. 

One book which discussed The Lucy Show claimed that the writers came up with the idea of Gale Gordon as Mr. Mooney when developing the first season, but Gordon had already signed on to Dennis the Menace and wasn't available. If this is the case, Mr. Barnsdahl could be seen as a placeholder character, and they simply used him while holding out for Gordon. 

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JoeySoCal    1,017

I find this kind of an odd take on the various "supporting" players over the years; for example, why wouldn't you consider the late great Charles Lane's Barnsdahl character "official"? He was not only recurring but integral to the story line set up and many of the plots; that B&M&B&B didn't deem to use him in their scripts weekly perhaps was just due to lack of sense in working him in each week to that plot line, although there were probably many instances they didn't but could have.  He also may not have been readily available to be present each week for 35 weeks that first season -- wasn't he also playing Homer Bedloe on CBS' "Petticoat Junction" at the same time? He was an integral antagonist on that show, too.  

I'm just thinking perhaps with a regular recurring cast of the star and her sidekick and three kids playing their children plus the occasional appearances of "friends" like Harry, Eddie, Thelma and the other volunteer firemen ladies, there was maybe just not enough opportunity to work Lane into that week's script.  After all, this version of The Lucy Show wasn't "set up" to have her banker as main foil/daddy figure as it was just 3 years later when the entire set up of the show shifted from charming small Danfield to the wilds of Hollywood. :HALKING:

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Freddie2    858
2 hours ago, JoeySoCal said:

After all, this version of The Lucy Show wasn't "set up" to have her banker as main foil/daddy figure 

Now THERE’S a hot take!!

 

I guess I do agree that Barnsdahl was enough of a key player that he could be considered an official cast member- I believe he even gets mentioned in Mooney’s introductory episodes. I think I read somewhere that Charles Lane was phased out because he couldn’t remember his lines or something, which seems odd considering how prolific he was. 

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Mot Morenzi    1,551
2 minutes ago, Freddie2 said:

Now THERE’S a hot take!!

 

I guess I do agree that Barnsdahl was enough of a key player that he could be considered an official cast member- I believe he even gets mentioned in Mooney’s introductory episodes. I think I read somewhere that Charles Lane was phased out because he couldn’t remember his lines or something, which seems odd considering how prolific he was. 

That's the official reason given in The Lucy Book for his departure, yes. Apparently he stuck to single-camera shows afterwards. It could well be why he didn't appear beyond four episodes. The writers may have planned more Bansdahl episodes but had to change course after Big Red made Charles no longer in charge. 

And yes, Barnsdahl received a farewell mention in Mooney's first episode, which is more than poor Harry Connors got, and he appeared in 10 episodes!

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JoeySoCal    1,017
On 7/27/2019 at 11:37 AM, Mot Morenzi said:

That's the official reason given in The Lucy Book for his departure, yes. Apparently he stuck to single-camera shows afterwards. It could well be why he didn't appear beyond four episodes. The writers may have planned more Bansdahl episodes but had to change course after Big Red made Charles no longer in charge. 

And yes, Barnsdahl received a farewell mention in Mooney's first episode, which is more than poor Harry Connors got, and he appeared in 10 episodes!

I never bought that explanation, personally, Lane was not only in demand on the small screen for all the cantankerous coots he played but he was a busy theater actor, too, which I'm pretty sure he maintained well into the sunset days of his career, so I don't buy the bs that he "couldn't remember his lines." :lucywow:

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