C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 LOL yes and that's my point. We all know how our gal loved to be in control. And since she couldn't control them or at least didn't have final say over them there may have been some problems. Lucy had valuable things in her house and she didn't like the kids breaking them, so she tells Lucie to do the same at her house, hide the bric a brac so they won't break'em and Lucie tells her mom that's nonsense, but the next time Lucy went to Lucie's house, they had all been put away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyilove Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Because Lee clearly hated Gary's advice to Lucy about her career. He had his own projects he proposed to her but Gary would shoot them down or interfere. Did Lee really have good ideas for Lucy? Who knows. I did like the idea he wrote about reguarding a Lucy documentary of sorts with her talking about her life as she saw it. But of course Gary shot it down because he felt there wasn't enough money involved. Gary was Lucy's husband. Lee was just a fan. Big difference in whose opinions should be considered although Lee apparently did not seem to realize it. She wasn't looking for any career guidance from this guy, just someone to play those damn games with. Kind of arrogant of him to think she should have listened to him about anything careerwise. She hadn't done too bad careerwise without his input for fortysomething years. "His own projects?" That's kind of like me or you running into Betty White and saying "Hey Betty, you oughta remake A Streetcar Named Desire!" An idea out of a fan's head is not a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Exactly!! Even in his own book he comes off kind of jealous and resentful of anybody else who gets some of Lucy's time - Gary, other fans, other people in her life. I found it kind of distasteful he seemed to suggest Lucy considered him something of a son, considering she had a pretty damn terrific son already. I did not like that book at all and I thought Jim Brouchu's was much better. If she considered him a son, why did he get all panicky the night she called him up to her bedroom, to fix the TV and he was all worried she'd make a move on him, when she knew he was gay? And not particularly attractive, oh yeah, she loved handsome/UGLY guys. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyilove Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Lucy had valuable things in her house and she didn't like the kids breaking them, so she tells Lucie to do the same at her house, hide the bric a brac so they won't break'em and Lucie tells her mom that's nonsense, but the next time Lucy went to Lucie's house, they had all been put away. Oh I LOVE that story and I can't help but wonder if the little monsters darlings hadn't maybe done just like Grandmaw predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Claude you have to listen to the Stu interviews with the Lucy people. Amazing and very fair and balanced insight on Lucy. I've learned so much from his quests. The episodes are 99cents and I think if you by 4 the 5 the is free. Well worth the price. I will, but how does one PAY? I refuse to give my credit card number on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Exactly!! Even in his own book he comes off kind of jealous and resentful of anybody else who gets some of Lucy's time - Gary, other fans, other people in her life. I found it kind of distasteful he seemed to suggest Lucy considered him something of a son, considering she had a pretty damn terrific son already. I did not like that book at all and I thought Jim Brouchu's was much better. Well, the only reason I preferred Lee's to Jim's is that Lee's covered a longer period in her life, Brochu's was only a year, whereas Lee's was more like ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm not much of a fan of Brouchu as he seemed like another one who latched onto her in the last year. Didn't Lucie have some not so nice things to say about Lee after he turned the book into a play? The feeling I get from Lee was he acted like he always needed to be her escort for events and she needed him. Maybe for something in NYC but Lucy still had very supportive husband who was a great escort for her. As much as we can be critical on Gary they still were a loving married couple and I hope was always there when she needed him. I thought he lived at the golf course, how does that make him a great escort? Oh yeah, he was as great an escort as he was a great manager . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . N O T ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hmm. Completely agree about Brouchu. And again, I don't trust Lee like I do Stu but he WAS an escort for her. Ive seen several photos of him with her at events. Not just the KCH.. Heres what ive always wondered. Why on earth did she let these people into her life in the first place? People she barely knew. Lucy was a smart woman you would think she's realize how people take advantage of associations to stars. Why did she become so isolated? Lucie mentioned in the Desilu book how people seemed to just disappear from her life toward the end. Why did she feel the need to play with strangers? First of all, she played with other people too, they just haven't taken advantage of her to make a buck off of her by writing books about it. Lee was a distant cousin's of gary's and Jim B R O C H U wrote a story he wanted her to star in that gary did not approve so he ended up playing backgammon with her, so he could listen to her stories and get a book out of it. Lucie hated that because somebody else was making money off her mom and that was HER job. I kid, I kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Also I don't think we are to critical of Gary. Its just the damn truth. Just hope Mikidiki's not reading these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Gary was Lucy's husband. Lee was just a fan. Big difference in whose opinions should be considered although Lee apparently did not seem to realize it. She wasn't looking for any career guidance from this guy, just someone to play those damn games with. Kind of arrogant of him to think she should have listened to him about anything careerwise. She hadn't done too bad careerwise without his input for fortysomething years. "His own projects?" That's kind of like me or you running into Betty White and saying "Hey Betty, you oughta remake A Streetcar Named Desire!" An idea out of a fan's head is not a project. Yes, but be fair now, he got her the Hasty Pudding award, gary never did and he also got her the Blackglama ad that gary then ruined somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Oh I LOVE that story and I can't help but wonder if the little monsters darlings hadn't maybe done just like Grandmaw predicted. Yeah, they probably broke the shrine ornaments Lucie had to her daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desilufan2 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 First of all, she played with other people too, they just haven't taken advantage of her to make a buck off of her by writing books about it. Lee was a distant cousin's of gary's and Jim B R O C H U wrote a story he wanted her to star in that gary did not approve so he ended up playing backgammon with her, so he could listen to her stories and get a book out of it. Lucie hated that because somebody else was making money off her mom and that was HER job. I kid, I kid. Im not saying she didn't play with other people. But why did she let these people in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Im not saying she didn't play with other people. But why did she let these people in? Well, i'll tell ya, it beats sitting around in the garden with the dog watching the plants grow as you're left alone in the house while your hubby's golfing. She never liked going out, so she stayed IN. And in her position, there are very few people you know you can trust, and she made some wrong choices, IMO, out of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Man, Brock's gonna be sorry he started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desilufan2 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Gary was Lucy's husband. Lee was just a fan. Big difference in whose opinions should be considered although Lee apparently did not seem to realize it. She wasn't looking for any career guidance from this guy, just someone to play those damn games with. Kind of arrogant of him to think she should have listened to him about anything careerwise. She hadn't done too bad careerwise without his input for fortysomething years. "His own projects?" That's kind of like me or you running into Betty White and saying "Hey Betty, you oughta remake A Streetcar Named Desire!" An idea out of a fan's head is not a project. Like I said I have no idea if Lee's advice could have been good for her. None whatsoever. But he certainly may have been able to give her better advice than Gary. Gary's was often terrible! The fact that he was her husband shouldn't mean his opinions trump everyone elses. Certainly not in their case. It often didn't turn out very well. But again I do understand your point in Lee assuming he was in a position to offer advice at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyilove Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm not much of a fan of Brouchu as he seemed like another one who latched onto her in the last year. Didn't Lucie have some not so nice things to say about Lee after he turned the book into a play? The feeling I get from Lee was he acted like he always needed to be her escort for events and she needed him. Maybe for something in NYC but Lucy still had very supportive husband who was a great escort for her. As much as we can be critical on Gary they still were a loving married couple and I hope was always there when she needed him. Oh, I wouldn't consider myself a Brouchu "fan" either but I loved the book because while he may have "latched onto her" but he spent that time getting some wonderful stories and quotes out of her on her career, the people she worked with,etc.. Brouchu was a writer before he met Lucy (I think, haven't read either book in over 15 years). His book is full of fantastic quotes and certainly there's nothing moving in Tanner's book like Brouchu's account of Lucy meeting a dying child fan. The difference is Tanner's book reads like an autobiography and Brouchu's book reads like a biography, guess which one I'm more interested in reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyilove Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Yes, but be fair now, he got her the Hasty Pudding award, gary never did and he also got her the Blackglama ad that gary then ruined somewhat. Well I haven't read the book in ages so I don't remember but if he engineered that that's cool however I can't imagine he had to exactly twist their arms to use Lucy and they might have sought her out themselves a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Evidently they (Lee and Jim) were fans, and funny gay guys that made backgammon a lot of fun for her. I get that. I like smart people who are good with a quip. Gay or otherwise, but Lee comes off to me as such a .. I don't know.. like he was doing her a favor... that is the impression I get. Jim seems grateful and respectful... either way.. I sure would have liked the opportunity either of those guys had.. kinda sickens me Lee has her convertible.. like he was waiting like a spider for the fly...I know he bought it and everything... just swarmy in my opinion.. I liked Lee's idea for the Blackgamma ad and I liked the Lucky O'Leary idea of Jim's... seems to me they both knew different women since they seem to differ in the picture painted of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Like I said I have no idea if Lee's advice could have been good for her. None whatsoever. But he certainly may have been able to give her better advice than Gary. Gary's was often terrible! The fact that he was her husband shouldn't mean his opinions trump everyone elses. Certainly not in their case. It often didn't turn out very well. But again I do understand your point in Lee assuming he was in a position to offer advice at all. I think he had time with her and offered advice as a true fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Oh, I wouldn't consider myself a Brouchu "fan" either but I loved the book because while he may have "latched onto her" but he spent that time getting some wonderful stories and quotes out of her on her career, the people she worked with,etc.. Brouchu was a writer before he met Lucy (I think, haven't read either book in over 15 years). His book is full of fantastic quotes and certainly there's nothing moving in Tanner's book like Brouchu's account of Lucy meeting a dying child fan. The difference is Tanner's book reads like an autobiography and Brouchu's book reads like a biography, guess which one I'm more interested in reading? LOL! It's B R O C H U by the way, he even has his own website with his partner who's still around. He was quite ill for a time there, his beau, not him. The only problem with his book is quoting a tired Lucy playing backgammon decades later and her memory not always perfect, her musings might not be that accurate either. I mean, if he asks her about working with MacLaine or Mary Tyler Moore and she doesn't remember much that's memorable, she just says things like I DON'T THINK SHE LIKED ME and you wonder what really happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 LOL! It's B R O C H U by the way, he even has his own website with his partner who's still around. He was quite ill for a time there, his beau, not him. The only problem with his book is quoting a tired Lucy playing backgammon decades later and her memory not always perfect, her musings might not be that accurate either. I mean, if he asks her about working with MacLaine or Mary Tyler Moore and she doesn't remember much that's memorable, she just says things like I DON'T THINK SHE LIKED ME and you wonder what really happened. Brochu also got a lot of things wrong in repeating stories or attributing quotes to certain people. That's what I didn't like about his book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Well I haven't read the book in ages so I don't remember but if he engineered that that's cool however I can't imagine he had to exactly twist their arms to use Lucy and they might have sought her out themselves a little later. No, because she SHOULD have gotten that Hasty Pudding award from Harvard decades earlier, it took someone who had connections there to get her on the ballot. Same for Blackglama furs, she was the most famous woman in the world at one point, shouldn't she have been asked a long time before she was. The whole point of those ads is LEGENDS who are immediately recognizable without even putting their name on the ad, yet Lucy's was barely recognizable at all. The time to do HER was late sixties if they had not done it in the late fifties, not the mid eighties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Evidently they (Lee and Jim) were fans, and funny gay guys that made backgammon a lot of fun for her. I get that. I like smart people who are good with a quip. Gay or otherwise, but Lee comes off to me as such a .. I don't know.. like he was doing her a favor... that is the impression I get. Jim seems grateful and respectful... either way.. I sure would have liked the opportunity either of those guys had.. kinda sickens me Lee has her convertible.. like he was waiting like a spider for the fly...I know he bought it and everything... just swarmy in my opinion.. I liked Lee's idea for the Blackgamma ad and I liked the Lucky O'Leary idea of Jim's... seems to me they both knew different women since they seem to differ in the picture painted of her. And the funny thing is they even competed for her attention like their funny fight for picture prominence in her home, LOL! And I agree the main reason they were there at all is because Lucy loved people who could make her laugh. And both did that. They gave her enjoyable hours at the most crucial point in her life when she really needed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Brochu also got a lot of things wrong in repeating stories or attributing quotes to certain people. That's what I didn't like about his book. So did Tannen for that matter. But when did any of us read anything, article or book, about her, that got EVERYTHING right. It's the obvious glaring errors that rile me the most. Like the one I just saw that said they were married in 1930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Brochu also got a lot of things wrong in repeating stories or attributing quotes to certain people. That's what I didn't like about his book. Like I said before, the one thing I adored about both books is it gave us a glimpse of what it was like for her in her later years as none of the books on her ever gave us much in that department. Of course what we did get here wasn't exactly uplifting in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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