C L A U D E Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Very well said!! And yes, even I have to admit that her caricature is rather funny. In poor taste nowadays, perhaps, but funny. I don't believe for a minute Lucille was prejudiced against anybody. Another reason I may feel about it the way I do is this: I read about that episode and someone's opinion that it was offensive before I ever saw it myself. Therefore, I went into viewing it with a predisposition to be offended by it. I think that played a major part in forming my opinion. True, I probably would've found it in bad taste regardless, but even I admit I laughed a little at it (but immediately felt kinda guilty!) It was more the shock value; I'd never seen Lucille do such an outrageous caricature before! So in that regard it's funny, but the subtext of the impression reminds me what era we're dealing with here and how much things have changed since then. Stop going by jeffrey martin fiddelsticks' otherwise great Lucy book, some of his reviews are so unfair and especially the way he attacked her later work. The woman had to resort to constantly repeating herself because after five hundred tv shows and not to mention other appearances on other people's shows and specials, she had done everythng TWICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hmmm, not quite the same thing, I don't think but nice try. EXCUSE ME? Making fun of old people and hillbillies is not the same as making fun of Japanese people? It's still mocking people in an exaggerated carricature, dun't you thin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well said. And i miss Donna reed so much, i'd love to see those shows again, i grew up with those and i miss Cara Williams also, first unseen ut talked about on Pete and Gladys and then in the series itself which was written by Bob and Madelyn and Lucy once chided them for giving loads of great material to that other redhead, LOL! Me too! Some cheesy label I've never heard of started to release Donna Reed Show on DVD but they must not have sold well enough, they seem to have stalled at Season 3 (of 8)! Harumph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Me too! Some cheesy label I've never heard of started to release Donna Reed Show on DVD but they must not have sold well enough, they seem to have stalled at Season 3 (of 8)! Harumph! Not only did i love Donna but i also absolutely loved all four of the main characters on that series. But Donna was the heart most definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 EXCUSE ME? Making fun of old people and hillbillies is not the same as making fun of Japanese people? It's still mocking people in an exaggerated carricature, dun't you thin? Yeah, you do have a point there. Her old lady shtick did get old after a few episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Stop going by jeffrey martin fiddelsticks' otherwise great Lucy book, some of his reviews are so unfair and especially the way he attacked her later work. The woman had to resort to constantly repeating herself because after five hundred tv shows and not to mention other appearances on other people's shows and specials, she had done everythng TWICE! LOL, yeah, I hardly agreed with all of his reviews! But still, chronicling every single television appearance Lucille made is no small feat, and I have great respect for most of that book, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 LOL, yeah, I hardly agreed with all of his reviews! But still, chronicling every single television appearance Lucille made is no small feat, and I have great respect for most of that book, too. He missed loads of them though. I mean, the woman was the Betty White of her day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Yeah, you do have a point there. Her old lady shtick did get old after a few episodes. But God got her back for that, she wound up looking like that without make up later on in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 But God got her back for that, she wound up looking like that without make up later on in life. Oooh, ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 He missed loads of them though. I mean, the woman was the Betty White of her day. Do you know any specific examples he left out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Do you know any specific examples he left out? I especially would have loved to hear about A L L of her talk show appearances and who she was on with and so on. The special shows she did in other cities when promoting something and things of that nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKlucyfan Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Oy vey, now everyone thinks I'm a stuffy, overly PC prude. I'm not, seriously! Was merely curious how others thought her impression held up today, and wanted to share my view that there are a few elements of I Love Lucy that haven't aged well. So sorry if I made any tempers flare up! LOL No problems here, Im just chipping in my thoughts... don't do that much so feel flattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark bale Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Lucy's Japanese gardener bit was hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Lucy's Japanese gardener bit was hysterical. That's what EVERYBODY thought BACK THEN. AND she wasn't doing an impression, she was doing it the way it was written for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikidiki Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 It just bewilders me how people who complain about her impersonation will watch movies full of sex, drugs, murder blah blah blah and not blink an eye-lid yet worry about a COMEDY show of a husband lovingly spanking his wife in maybe no more than a handful of episodes out of 170+ episodes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark bale Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 That's what EVERYBODY thought BACK THEN. AND she wasn't doing an impression, she was doing it the way it was written for her. Yes, but I still find it hysterically funny. I found a lot of so-called offensive humour from the 60s and 70s funny then, and still find it funny now. British sitcoms like "Curry and Chips," "Till death us do part" and "Love thy Neighbour" are considered fairly racist today, but I still like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yes, but I still find it hysterically funny. I found a lot of so-called offensive humour from the 60s and 70s funny then, and still find it funny now. British sitcoms like "Curry and Chips," "Till death us do part" and "Love thy Neighbour" are considered fairly racist today, but I still like them. Oh i agree with you totally, i find political correctness has drained all comedy out of everything. Then again, i still laugh at fat jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Oh i agree with you totally, i find political correctness has drained all comedy out of everything. Then again, i still laugh at fat jokes. It has in many respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 It has in many respects. Yup, too much respect, not enough LAUGHS anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 UH.. I like her gardener character and I like the the character in Here's Lucy when she works for the cleaner and Kim comes in... I think they are funny.. and I don't understand why some would take offense.. are some people offended by Flower Drum Song too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 UH.. I like her gardener character and I like the the character in Here's Lucy when she works for the cleaner and Kim comes in... I think they are funny.. and I don't understand why some would take offense.. are some people offended by Flower Drum Song too? The reason I asked is because I know that some others took offense at it. Of course, that was not the intention, but it is a reminder of how different times were and how such issues as race were frequently parodied back then. Nowadays, I find it displays ignorance and a mocking attitude of cultures we did not understand. I'm sure Ms. Ball meant no harm to the Asian community, but it's interesting that this particular characterization of hers is really the only thing she did that doesn't necessarily stand up well today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmadluv7 Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 The reason I asked is because I know that some others took offense at it. Of course, that was not the intention, but it is a reminder of how different times were and how such issues as race were frequently parodied back then. Nowadays, I find it displays ignorance and a mocking attitude of cultures we did not understand. I'm sure Ms. Ball meant no harm to the Asian community, but it's interesting that this particular characterization of hers is really the only thing she did that doesn't necessarily stand up well today. I agree totally. I guess it goes to show how the country felt about the Japanese at the time. Lucy, even years later, laughed at the idea of the Japanese Gardner jokes (Dick Cavett Show) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 I agree totally. I guess it goes to show how the country felt about the Japanese at the time. Lucy, even years later, laughed at the idea of the Japanese Gardner jokes (Dick Cavett Show) It's the way some people still feel today as it was a funny skit on a comedy show, meant for laughs. I thought about this last night when a comedian was doing CHINESE shtick on SNL last night that was similar and this is 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 I must admit, that's a great drawing! You can just see the "Herro!" rolling off her lips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 "So solley, so solley!" Sorry, but that's kinda funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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