JYuhas Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Speaking of turkeys, l noticed something in the colorized breakfast scene, in the "Job Switching" episode. What I always thought were hardware/knobs, in the middle of the kitchen cabinets, above the refrigerator, canisters, bowls, are actually turkey's! It looks like they had a poultry themed kitchen. There were those "birds" painted on the front of the breakfast nook, facing the camera/audience, and,whenjoy Ricky and Fred are washing off the chickens in the sink, there are chicken figurines/statues on the shelf between the stove and breakfast nook. You can see them in the closeup shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenorman Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Lotus Bud - Thanks so much for yet another 'courtesy' addition to the chronology. Loving you, JK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjw Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I do believe some are over-reacting to the idea of colorization. I sincerely doubt that the entire series will ever be colorized. It's so expensive to do even a single episode, that the idea of doing all 180 (plus 13 hour longs) is mind-boggling... Secondly, I agree with Brian about it being sad that the original show would disapear... but I fear that there is a greater chance that it might disappear because viewers and advertisers do not want to deal with black-and-white television. I'd rather have people see colorized Lucy than no Lucy at all... I find it strange that for the past 20 years or so, fans have rushed out and spent a zillion dollars on dolls, plates, and all kinds of other merchandise that has all been colorized... (very few of these items appear in black-and-white), but when someone colorizes the show itself -- in order to give it a bigger, contemporary audience -- people balk... The black-and-white originals will never disappear -- unless time itself does the damage. The films themselves are now 50-60 years old, and despite being carefully "cared for," they are disintegrating. CBS has been diligently transferring them to whatever new media form comes along, remastering them for future generations... But no one knows what these elements will look like 50 years from now... But I stand by my earlier posts that say that while the black-and-white programs will live on in home video, little by little they are being relegated to "middle of the night" time slots on local stations and cable outlets. Gone are the days when it aired seven nights a week opposite Walter Cronkite (and often beat Uncle Walter in the ratings). Audiences, advertisers and stations want more modern programs -- in color -- in their prime viewing hours. Happily, some of the local stations still air the series during the day -- I believe a local LA station still airs the show at noon -- but these instances are becoming fewer and fewer... So pardon me when I am thrilled to see the show be invited back into network prime time, where it continues to earn its weight in rating points... and if the price of admission is colorization, then I am all for it... Tjw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nertz2mertz Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I do believe some are over-reacting to the idea of colorization. I sincerely doubt that the entire series will ever be colorized. It's so expensive to do even a single episode, that the idea of doing all 180 (plus 13 hour longs) is mind-boggling... Secondly, I agree with Brian about it being sad that the original show would disapear... but I fear that there is a greater chance that it might disappear because viewers and advertisers do not want to deal with black-and-white television. I'd rather have people see colorized Lucy than no Lucy at all... I find it strange that for the past 20 years or so, fans have rushed out and spent a zillion dollars on dolls, plates, and all kinds of other merchandise that has all been colorized... (very few of these items appear in black-and-white), but when someone colorizes the show itself -- in order to give it a bigger, contemporary audience -- people balk... The black-and-white originals will never disappear -- unless time itself does the damage. The films themselves are now 50-60 years old, and despite being carefully "cared for," they are disintegrating. CBS has been diligently transferring them to whatever new media form comes along, remastering them for future generations... But no one knows what these elements will look like 50 years from now... But I stand by my earlier posts that say that while the black-and-white programs will live on in home video, little by little they are being relegated to "middle of the night" time slots on local stations and cable outlets. Gone are the days when it aired seven nights a week opposite Walter Cronkite (and often beat Uncle Walter in the ratings). Audiences, advertisers and stations want more modern programs -- in color -- in their prime viewing hours. Happily, some of the local stations still air the series during the day -- I believe a local LA station still airs the show at noon -- but these instances are becoming fewer and fewer... So pardon me when I am thrilled to see the show be invited back into network prime time, where it continues to earn its weight in rating points... and if the price of admission is colorization, then I am all for it... Tjw I agree with Tjw and Lotus. The b/w whites are/were the best way to watch Lucy and if technology has ways of preserving it I'm all for preservation. I don't mind the colorization process as long as technology makes the skin tones look real. The only thing I'm against is using colors in place of the original. I would love to see just one episode with the actual colors (I know it's not going to be 100%) the way it was seen by those who were lucky enough to feel the experience of seeing tv history in the making. I am not a fan of the colors in Job Switching. Looks like a coloring book to me. But I still applause those who spent countless hours colorizing these eps. I know it must be hard. Color or not, Lucy will always be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjw Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 One of the problems with colorizing the shows to match how they were in the studio is the fact that those colors were chosen not necessarily because they were particularly attractive, but because of how they would photograph on black-and-white film. Had the show been filmed and broadcast in color from the beginning, totally different color schemes would most likely have been chosen. In colorizing the shows now, the colorists TRY, whenever possible, to be true to the original color (if it is known), but the final determinant has to be how it looks in the finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 In colorizing the shows now, the colorists TRY, whenever possible, to be true to the original color (if it is known), but the final determinant has to be how it looks in the finished product. True that Tom I'm sure but I still have to chuckle whenever I rewatch the kitchen scenes and think to myself "I grew up with appliances like that stove and refrigerator but I sure don't ever remember seeing them in the color used here!" What's it supposed to be anyways, mustard yellow?? I do like the choice of colors they went with for the kitchen walls however and it does all tie together nicely. At first I wasn't thrilled with the "vintage look" choice but it has grown on me, despite the fact I'm still more in Brian's camp (and those like-minded) who fear once folks get more and more of these in "color", that's all they'll want to watch. I do agree however that "colorized" Lucy is certainly better than no Lucy and I'm glad to live in a time where she's been a constant throughout my life, in a variety of forms and media, and I couldn't be more grateful to you and your cohorts (some of whom are also on this board) for all your efforts to ensure we and generations to come will be able to enjoy ILL, TLDCH and TLC in the most advanced media (the DVDs and now Blu-ray) available. A huge "Mwah!" (a la Dinah Shore ) to you and yours and keep up the good work!!! PS What's the word on ILL Ultimate Season 2 on Blu??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYuhas Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I agree, and feel the same way, with everything that TJW, Nertz2mertz and JoeySoCal said. You all took the words right out of my mouth, and said it better than I ever could. TJW: I just have a couple questions, regarding the newly colorized "Job Switching" episode. 1.) Why was Lucy's "Vitameatavegamin" dress colorized black, instead of blue? Did the blue not photograph well, when colorized? 2.) Other than the pink that was chosen for Lucy's, Ethel's and The Chocolate Dipper's uniform, we're any other colors tested? If so, what were they? I remember you said they grey-on-grey didn't look right, and neither did the whites. Do you know if any of the colors that were used for any memorabilia were tesetd? In the "I Love Lucy" collector's plate, "Eating the Evidence," their uniforms were blueish, kind of like the baker's hat Lucy wore in that color still photogtaph, from the "Visitor From Italy" episode. 3.) If there aren't any actual/real color reference materials to be used, for sets, props, wardrobe, do you refer to the memorabilia, and test that out, instead of just testing other colors? I'm asking thsee questions, for I'm very interested in the colorization process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille Ball fan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Desilu Productions in 1963 made the decision to film The Lucy Show in color. So I think that now is the perfect time to colorize I Love Lucy. From the second season on The Lucy Show is in color and all of Here's Lucy is in color. And now we have four I Love Lucy shows in color. Color will extend the life of the show. It is very important that I Love Lucy is available for future generations to enjoy and discover. I respect the opinions of fans who do not like the show in color. But color is needed to keep the show going into the future.Thank you TJW for your great work and the many Lucy updates you give us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I was delighted to find the exclusive DVD at Target Canada today. We never get the Target "exclusives" up here, so maybe that's an encouraging sign on the distribution of this set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I sincerely doubt that the entire series will ever be colorized. It's so expensive to do even a single episode, that the idea of doing all 180 (plus 13 hour longs) is mind-boggling... Tjw Well, that's something at least. Thanks for setting my mind at ease a bit. I just find it sad that so many people refuse to watch black and white. It's always been so beautiful to me that the thought of someone not accepting it is mind boggling. It colorization is required, I suppose 3D conversion is the inevitable next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 One of the problems with colorizing the shows to match how they were in the studio is the fact that those colors were chosen not necessarily because they were particularly attractive, but because of how they would photograph on black-and-white film. Had the show been filmed and broadcast in color from the beginning, totally different color schemes would most likely have been chosen. In colorizing the shows now, the colorists TRY, whenever possible, to be true to the original color (if it is known), but the final determinant has to be how it looks in the finished product. And that's my other point. The actual colors are frequently irrelevant as they weren't chosen for their color at all. This is especially obvious in the first few episodes of The Lucy Show, season 2, where the color added absolutely nothing at all. It wasn't until the set redecoration that color added anything to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYuhas Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 As much as I'd like to see The Complete Series colorized, I'd be happy, satisfied and content if they colorized the classic episodes. Each episode is a classic, in its own right, but some are more so than others. If this were to be done, they (meaning the people affiliate/associated with the colorization) can give us an amount on how many episodes they'd colorize, then ask the fans what their favorites are. I know they've done this on other message boards/forums, and they released the DVD(s). The episodes with the most votes, should be the ones that get to be colorized. More than likely, I think the fans would all select basically the same episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYuhas Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Besides them colorizing the classics, I'd love to see them colorize any episodes, in which they have color reference materials, to go by, such as photos, video, wardrobe, set pieces, props, memorabilia, etc. I'd like for them to keep doing what they've been doing, with The "I Love Lucy" Christmas Special, every year, but I'm between a rock, and hard place, on something. I'd love for them to colorize a new episode, each year, but I don't want to keep having to keep buying the same DVD over and over, again, just for an Exclusive Limited Edition Bonus DVD, Including the Newly Colorized Episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajrich17901 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I personally don't get why so many people are so against the colorization...the show is B/W on dvd/vhs and now Blu ray..not like the B/W version is ever gonna be done away with. Colorization is just another way of opening the show to younger audiences who don't know who Lucy is. As a fan since I was little I love how incredible they look in color, I'm spotting details I never noticed before..it's like watching them for the first time again. Don't understand how people don't think these look good.. I thought the Christmas episode and the chocolate factory looked incredible..the grape stomping one could use some work though. I get people are protective of the series..but don't ruin the chance at younger people being opened up to the show..this should be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think assuming that children will refuse to accept B&W is an insult to their intelligence. Not everyone is as anti black and white as some of you are. You need to respect that there are purists out there who do view these original versions as sacred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajrich17901 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think assuming that children will refuse to accept B&W is an insult to their intelligence. Not everyone is as anti black and white as some of you are. You need to respect that there are purists out there who do view these original versions as sacred. I'm not saying that ALL children wouldn't like B/W, I'm just saying color opens it up to broader audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ajrich17901 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Thank you for the screens of the newest episode, makes the wait for Christmas Eve easier xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Louise Baxter Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I personally don't get why so many people are so against the colorization...the show is B/W on dvd/vhs and now Blu ray..not like the B/W version is ever gonna be done away with. Colorization is just another way of opening the show to younger audiences who don't know who Lucy is. As a fan since I was little I love how incredible they look in color, I'm spotting details I never noticed before..it's like watching them for the first time again. Don't understand how people don't think these look good.. I thought the Christmas episode and the chocolate factory looked incredible..the grape stomping one could use some work though. I get people are protective of the series..but don't ruin the chance at younger people being opened up to the show..this should be a good thing. The picture of Lucy decorating the tree clearly demonstrates just how bad colorization can be. I know she had vibrant, dyed red hair but that color is akin to something a valley girl might do to 'make a statemen'. And it bleeds into her temple skin. I'm not fussed if others like these effects but it just serves to prove to me that this 'technological advance' is yet another case of modernization gone wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 The picture of Lucy decorating the tree clearly demonstrates just how bad colorization can be. I know she had vibrant, dyed red hair but that color is akin to something a valley girl might do to 'make a statemen'. And it bleeds into her temple skin. I'm not fussed if others like these effects but it just serves to prove to me that this 'technological advance' is yet another case of modernization gone wrong. Exactly. I'm very aware that I'm looking at a colorized image. There's no getting around it. It will never look natural. The palette draws so much attention to itself it completely obliterates following the content of the episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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