chedderchester Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 What was Miss Ball's (or even Desi's or Viv's) view on LBGT? Pride parades were starting to become a big thing in the 60s so she was around for the early days at least. In the late 70s-80s is when it really became a big thing. Didn't somebody say she dated a man who actually told her he felt "strange?" If she was that homophobic she wouldn't have hired Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye (I think) Jim Bailey, Don Loper, or Liberace as guest stars but they probably didn't even know themselves yet. Which reminds me of that one Dorothy Zbornak line "SHE didn't even know when she was in college!") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCarter Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Lucy on the subject: How do you feel about gay rights? It's perfectly all right with me. Some of the most gifted people I've ever met or read about are homosexual. How can you knock it? http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20075802,00.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvsbway Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I have heard the "strange" comment in regards to Caesar Romero but I don’t think Lucy called him that, it just came up in a conversation they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I have heard the "strange" comment in regards to Caesar Romero but I don’t think Lucy called him that, it just came up in a conversation they had. Cesar told HER he was strange, not wanting to lead her on i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 In a slightly related vein, Lucy or rather Lee Tannen talking about his book on Lucy made the cover of OUT magazine where he said Lucy Ball was not a gay icon, but Lucy Ricardo certainly was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I find that interesting... Gay Icon Lucy Ricardo. What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chedderchester Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Could you imagine an episode of I Love Lucy where Lucy and Ethel crash a gay pride parade? Those did not exist from 1951-1957, sadly. Maybe in the final seasons of TLS or even in HL but I don't think they'd ever go that route. Glad that Ball was pro gay rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I find that interesting... Gay Icon Lucy Ricardo. What does that mean? It was Lee's opinion, not mine. It means one of those GREAT women that we gays look up to, like Streisand, Midler Madonna, Cher, and i would certainly include LUCY, as well as Hepburn, Davis and quite a few others. Lucy Ricardo might be a comedy icon but i don't think of her as a gay icon, although her struggles and wanting fame and fortune certainly prove otherwise. I think Icon means someone people revere for them being bigger than life and not happy taking crap from anyone, not the best way to put it but i'm tired and that's the best description i can give right now, i'll try again tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Could you imagine an episode of I Love Lucy where Lucy and Ethel crash a gay pride parade? Those did not exist from 1951-1957, sadly. Maybe in the final seasons of TLS or even in HL but I don't think they'd ever go that route. Glad that Ball was pro gay rights. If for no other reason than that she worked in New York City and Hollywood, two places where gays are such a big part of show business and the most talented people were gay and as Lucy always admired talented people, well, . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Could you imagine an episode of I Love Lucy where Lucy and Ethel crash a gay pride parade? Those did not exist from 1951-1957, sadly. Maybe in the final seasons of TLS or even in HL but I don't think they'd ever go that route. Glad that Ball was pro gay rights. My God, there's a visual. Ethel: Boy, fancy schmancy! Lucy: Ethel! It's rude to point! Ethel: Gee wiz, even fellas own more dresses than I do these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I guess accessorization was what they were really looking for... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I guess accessorization was what they were really looking for... Hahahaha!!! Ethel: Fred, stop staring. Remember, they're just people like you and me. Fred: They may be people, but they're NOT like you and me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Rock Hudson, Danny Kaye (I think) Jim Bailey, Don Loper, or Liberace And let's not forget the gayest man to ever grace the home screen: RG Brown. Not to mention William Lanteau as Ginger Roger's assistant "Spike" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Or Jim Bailey... doing Miss Diller...pretty gay and very funny. She (Lucille) had to adore gay men as she spent loads of time with Jim and Lee... Hell if it wern't for us gay guys I wonder if Lucy would even be as relevant and popular as she is TODAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 And let's not forget the gayest man to ever grace the home screen: RG Brown.Not to mention William Lanteau as Ginger Roger's assistant "Spike" I'm drawing a blank on RG Brown. Where can he be seen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Kampen Tripp Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Is RG Brown the queen who strikes the chimes for the secretaries to start typing? Or the one who sprays Eva Gabor's bed with perfume before she lays in it? If THAT is RG.. he IS gayer than Rip Taylor. That is pretty gay.. even the gays on Queer Eye are like "THAT FAG?" (ok old reference but you get it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Is RG Brown the queen who strikes the chimes for the secretaries to start typing? Or the one who sprays Eva Gabor's bed with perfume before she lays in it? If THAT is RG.. he IS gayer than Rip Taylor. That is pretty gay.. even the gays on Queer Eye are like "THAT FAG?" (ok old reference but you get it) Hey, she adored Paul Lynde and he put the gay in gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I remember a quote, I believe it was Jim Brochu's book. They were discussing homophobic people. Lucy said the reason people treat homosexuals that way is because "they're just jealous!" It seems that Lucy's closest male friends during the last 30 or so years of her life were mostly gay. And referencing another thread, Sammy and Altovese Davis were among her and Gary's best friends, and she made Marl Young her show's musical director. She she married a Cuban first, then a Jewish man. So Lucille Ball may have been many things, but I think it's safe to say she wasn't racist, anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, or homophobic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I remember a quote, I believe it was Jim Brochu's book. They were discussing homophobic people. Lucy said the reason people treat homosexuals that way is because "they're just jealous!" It seems that Lucy's closest male friends during the last 30 or so years of her life were mostly gay. And referencing another thread, Sammy and Altovese Davis were among her and Gary's best friends, and she made Marl Young her show's musical director. She she married a Cuban first, then a Jewish man. So Lucille Ball may have been many things, but I think it's safe to say she wasn't racist, anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, or homophobic. W O W you certainly ain't whistlin dixie there ma boy! Very well said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 W O W you certainly ain't whistlin dixie there ma boy! Very well said. Ha! I read your comment, then was walking around the house just now and found myself whistling "Dixie." Thanks for sticking that into my subconscious, Claude! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRickyII Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 What was Miss Ball's (or even Desi's or Viv's) view on LBGT? I already said my piece about Lucy. Vivian? Having married a gay man, I would say she had no problems with LGBT -- at least outside of the bedroom. And Desi? Cesar Romero probably would have been the best one to answer that question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 LittleRickyII, on 22 Apr 2015 - 2:57 PM, said:Vivian? Having married a gay man, I would say she had no problems with LGBT -- at least outside of the bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I already said my piece about Lucy. Vivian? Having married a gay man, I would say she had no problems with LGBT -- at least outside of the bedroom. And Desi? Cesar Romero probably would have been the best one to answer that question. I don't think he was looking to have sex with Cesar but if they were both drunk and he knew how Cesar wanted to do it so being drunk, he just gave in and probably later regretted it, but i loved your post, LOL! I do remember reading that Desi would sometimes share a woman with someone he knew but they could not share a bed, in separate rooms ok but not together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Ha! I read your comment, then was walking around the house just now and found myself whistling "Dixie." Thanks for sticking that into my subconscious, Claude! That's the thing about old songs, they stayed with you forever. Not so much today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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