C L A U D E Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Just because an episode is public domain, does not necessarily mean that the music cues are also. The music may have been licensed for use from another copyright owner, and is not part of the TV episode's copyright protection. For example, composer Earle Hagen had an arrangement with producers Sheldon Leonard and Danny Thomas that he would retain copyright ownership on the themes he wrote for their shows, e.g., THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW, THE DICK VAN DYKE SHOW, etc. Each and every episode paid Hagen a royalty. Paramount accidentally allowed sixteen 3rd season episodes of GRIFFITH to fall into the public domain, and those episodes became regular fare on pd home videos... and, the open & close theme music was often replaced. Every now and then, a pd would leave in the original music, and Hagen was very efficient in filing infringement lawsuits; Earle's widow still actively enforces the rights of his estate. Now, I'm just guessing on this particular TLS issue, but are the music cues the property of Pat Collins, i.e., did they use her nightclub act's music? If so, those cues were used by Desilu with the permission of Collins, and were not covered by TLS' episode copyright, nor are they public domain. Maybe the legal rights to those cues were confused and CBS/Paramount deemed them not worth the investigative effort, or, the Collins estate's royalty price was too high, or...? Sorry, but this is all much too confusing for me, just bring them out, whatever way they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Thats right. Darn it! I was afraid that I understood correctly. Oh well, I guess having to watch that embarrasing jack-in-the-box eye sore opening would be something to get use to. I wish they gave us an option between using the regular opening and this one. Having watching the PD episodes a million times I wasn't phased about watching them in this disc set but I am really enjoying them . It doesn't phase me either. It will be like watching something new since they are completely restored and unedited (except for one, I guess). And I am kind of curious to see how this set will compare to the public domain copies. The discs and bonuses are awesome and defo worth getting even tho we have the PD episodes already. We have been so blessed with these sets. Lucy would be so proud. To be honest I watched the Pat Collins episode when I went to bed and didn't notice what was missing but that could have been cos I was falling asleep LOL Hopefully it won't be too noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I know!!! It's going to be such a challenge to wait until Christmas! You can watch season four in the first twenty-four days of December as a build-up to season five. Just an idea. For me, I plan on getting the season five DVD set as soon as possible. In this regards, I am like Lucy Ricardo ... I have no sales resistance! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hopefully they'll explain the edits to the Pat Collins episode during the Q&A at the screening tomorrow night! (You know someone will bring it up! ) oh, please DON'T. The producers worked very hard to make this perfect. The edit was done without their knowledge and they're quite upset about it. I've watched the episode and I'm not even sure where the edit is. I think it's just where members of the audience come up to Pat's stage. Nothing is happening, but there must have been background music that wasn't cleared. It's really so trivial and inconsequential, especially considering ALL the extras you're getting. They should be getting nothing but hozannas and praise. Had they known, they could have inserted other music and avoided this 'controversy', so let's not spoil their well-deserved moment of glory dwelling on this! This is their best work EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 CHRISTMAS?! Hopefully you'll get to open it on Christmas Eve like the oyster-stuffed goose-eating package-opening Tuttle-Bagleys! LOL-ing! Is Lucy's plumber a part of Viv's family tree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark bale Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 oh, please DON'T. The producers worked very hard to make this perfect. The edit was done without their knowledge and they're quite upset about it. I've watched the episode and I'm not even sure where the edit is. I think it's just where members of the audience come up to Pat's stage. Nothing is happening, but there must have been background music that wasn't cleared. It's really so trivial and inconsequential, especially considering ALL the extras you're getting. They should be getting nothing but hozannas and praise. Had they known, they could have inserted other music and avoided this 'controversy', so let's not spoil their well-deserved moment of glory dwelling on this! This is their best work EVER. Good British DVD releases which are usually marred by DVD problems are not "hushed up" over here. We complain directly to the DVD company. Case in point the atrocious DVD sets of THE AVENGERS. Enough complaints were made by customers with their hard earned money resulted in (eventual) disc replacements. It's not trivial to some when a minute of footage is missing, not audio, but a visual edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Amazon.ca has shopped the DVD! It looks like I'll have to sleep by the front door tonight to grab it as soon as it is delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Tony the cutie patootie? Oh yeah, he's great, i'd listen to ANYTHING he'd be talking about. Even a small documentary on gary. If "LoveBuns" reads this post, he'll be calling YOU "Day-old Bread"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 If "LoveBuns" reads this post, he'll be calling YOU "Day-old Bread"... Well, Tony's a cutie, what can i do? He knows i'm attracted to all Darren Criss types, and fortunately for me, he's attracted to old geezers so i'm safe, unless he finds a Fred Mertz somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 So, the release date is tomorrow? HMV should have it in a month or beau might get it from Amazon at a very low price for me for Christmas, seems his company gets everything at COST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Well, Tony's a cutie, what can i do? He knows i'm attracted to all Darren Criss types, and fortunately for me, he's attracted to old geezers so i'm safe, unless he finds a Fred Mertz somewhere. Why, does he like the type that wears tie-eating trousers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyImHome Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 So, the release date is tomorrow? HMV should have it in a month or beau might get it from Amazon at a very low price for me for Christmas, seems his company gets everything at COST! I hope its at Target tomorrow. They've carried every season. Season 4 was on the shelf on its release day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 oh, please DON'T. The producers worked very hard to make this perfect. The edit was done without their knowledge and they're quite upset about it. I've watched the episode and I'm not even sure where the edit is. I think it's just where members of the audience come up to Pat's stage. Nothing is happening, but there must have been background music that wasn't cleared. It's really so trivial and inconsequential, especially considering ALL the extras you're getting. They should be getting nothing but hozannas and praise. Had they known, they could have inserted other music and avoided this 'controversy', so let's not spoil their well-deserved moment of glory dwelling on this! This is their best work EVER. I didn't mean me, and I don't think I'd have the nerve to but I do know there's always "one in every crowd", especially if they're glued to the internet for any little bit of crap to bring up so it wouldn't surprise me if someone does. Or perhaps they should just make a point to address it anyways, make a quick explanation and move on. I'm sure it's as mentioned blown all out of proportion! These sets have so far been killer and I'm not suprised if this turns out to be the best one yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Why, does he like the type that wears tie-eating trousers?? Looking for the father FIGURE i guess. Like Lucie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyImHome Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Nope--"Viv Visits Lucy" but I actually looked it up last night and yes it is season 5. Well, anyways there's still two more Vivian episodes in season 6! Viv & Lucy Reminisce and Lucy & The Lost Star(Joan Crawford). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeySanJoaquin Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I hope its at Target tomorrow. They've carried every season. Season 4 was on the shelf on its release day! Yup, I've had good luck and usually find it there the first day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 It sounds to me like the Pat Collins music edits are her singing a jazzy rendition of "That's All" as they walk to and from the stage. Is that right? I'll have the set in a few days and can find out for myself. Not a huge deal at all, all things considering. And we always have the PD copies to fall back on if we want a complete audio fix The supplements sound fantastic! The producers clearly realized they were needed, as all but one of these episodes are already owned by die-hard Lucy fans. Their time and effort is truly terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taylor Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I tell you what, I just checked my UPS tracking page, and there are no updated details. If I don't get my copy tomorrow as promised, some people may die. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I tell you what, I just checked my UPS tracking page, and there are no updated details. If I don't get my copy tomorrow as promised, some people may die. Just saying. I know the feeling. It is freezing rain right now and if icy conditions delay the delivery of TLS tomorrow someone may need to hold me back. Anyway, when you've all secured your sets, please join the discussion here: http://www.lucylounge.com/index.php?/topic/1169-tls-season-5-reviews-and-first-impressions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Morenzi Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSxOhlmF4Vk With all the talk about Pat Collins on here, I found a clip from her 1981 20th Anniversary Special. Much more risque than her show with Lucy, but funny (albeit seemingly very staged, but that may just be me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I hope its at Target tomorrow. They've carried every season. Season 4 was on the shelf on its release day! I do too. If not, then I will have to order it online. Wal-Mart is not even an option as they stopped carrying the series at season two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C L A U D E Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I do too. If not, then I will have to order it online. Wal-Mart is not even an option as they stopped carrying the series at season two. Yup, i've NEVER seen ANYTHING Of Lucy's at the Wal Marts here, dumbasses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chedderchester Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yup, i've NEVER seen ANYTHING Of Lucy's at the Wal Marts here, dumbasses! Nighty night snooki-ookums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I don't mean to minimize the great job the producers of these sets are doing, but an edited episode is not good. I wonder if a replacement program could be instituted where a new disc with the complete episode could be mailed to us. Those that don't mind the missing minute can keep the sets they have, and those that would like the episode complete could get it. Provided it's possible, I'd really like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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